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Post by Marcus on May 1, 2006 11:46:50 GMT -5
www.clannada.org/theology_philosophies.phpCheck out this link. Some very interesting Information here. Contains different texts such as "The Prophecy of the Morrigan" and the "Prophecies of Merlin." I allready posted this at MNM but it is an interesting subject so it deserves a fresh start here.
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Post by Senbecc on May 2, 2006 14:59:12 GMT -5
www.clannada.org/theology_philosophies.phpCheck out this link. Some very interesting Information here. Contains different texts such as "The Prophecy of the Morrigan" and the "Prophecies of Merlin." I allready posted this at MNM but it is an interesting subject so it deserves a fresh start here. And when I feel a bit better, we will give them all the discussion they deserve!
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Post by wren on Jul 26, 2006 10:38:14 GMT -5
Very much like 'Revelations', isnt' it. It is amazing how many similarities there are, as opposed to differences.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 26, 2006 10:53:38 GMT -5
Very much like 'Revelations', isnt' it. It is amazing how many similarities there are, as opposed to differences. Yes the Morrigan certainly had some scary visions to share when she made that last prophecy after the battle. I wonder...How close do people feel we've gotten to the fulfilment of her prophecy?
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Post by Marcus on Jul 26, 2006 16:54:28 GMT -5
Very much like 'Revelations', isnt' it. It is amazing how many similarities there are, as opposed to differences. Yes the Morrigan certainly had some scary visions to share when she made that last prophecy after the battle. I wonder...How close do people feel we've gotten to the fulfilment of her prophecy? Her prophecy is coming close to fulfillment. There is barely any honour amongst man. Everyone is paranoid. Kings and leaders send troops of to fight pointless wars whilst they sit at home watching things unfold on a TV!!
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 27, 2006 9:01:44 GMT -5
Yes the Morrigan certainly had some scary visions to share when she made that last prophecy after the battle. I wonder...How close do people feel we've gotten to the fulfilment of her prophecy? Her prophecy is coming close to fulfillment. There is barely any honour amongst man. Everyone is paranoid. Kings and leaders send troops of to fight pointless wars whilst they sit at home watching things unfold on a TV!! I have at times come to concider this possibility as well Marcus. Though when I hear the stories of the valor of men and women on both sides I am able to take heart. My question is however, what can be pointless about a war that saves innocent lives? Not that I'm a war monger btw. I work with an 18 yr old kid whos going over seas in a few months. I would love to see the boy not have to go see what goes on under fire, but unfortunatly at times such can not be helped I'm afraid.
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Post by wren on Jul 27, 2006 14:16:27 GMT -5
Her prophecy is coming close to fulfillment. There is barely any honour amongst man. Everyone is paranoid. Kings and leaders send troops of to fight pointless wars whilst they sit at home watching things unfold on a TV!! I have at times come to concider this possibility as well Marcus. Though when I hear the stories of the valor of men and women on both sides I am able to take heart. My question is however, what can be pointless about a war that saves innocent lives? Not that I'm a war monger btw. I work with an 18 yr old kid whos going over seas in a few months. I would love to see the boy not have to go see what goes on under fire, but unfortunatly at times such can not be helped I'm afraid. I suppose I'm not certain which innocent lives we are saving. There was a story on NPR this weekend about all the Iraqi bodies being pulled out the the river, every day, having been bound and executed and tossed aside. There are innocents killed every day on all sides in the wars being fought today. Are fewer dying? I am NOT for Hussein in any way. I just do not see that we've improved the situation. Outside of the 'Green Zone', life is worse for the Iraqi citizens, not better. All wars are fought on different levels (onions, Senbecc?). Those who want the land or power, those who are fighting for the 'cause' and those who pay the price who are caught in the middle. There have been many wars that were fought for noble reasons by the soldiers but had underlying 'true' reasons by those in power (Civil War in the US, etc.). As to the prophecies coming true, I doubt there was a time when you could not point to events and say the same. Perhaps they are vague (or onions) to keep us vigilent?
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Post by Marcus on Jul 27, 2006 14:39:42 GMT -5
War is something that frustrates me beyond belief. I would allways stand against wars such as the wars in Iraq and the situation in Israel at the moment. Pointless wars that just make bad situations worse imo.
But then i seem like a Hypocrite when i honour, remember and respect those of the Irish Republican Army that died for my country in the early 1900's and those Irish lives lost during the civil war. But then when you look at wars like the situation in Ireland, WW1, WW2, The Russian Revolution. Poeple where fighting for independance, their families and in the end their wellbeing.
Many of the wars being fought today are purely for money.
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Post by wren on Jul 27, 2006 15:02:55 GMT -5
I understand your feelings, Marcus. The colonists here in the US fought for independence and many died on both sides (and in the middle). Most here don't learn about the economic reasons for our own Civil War.
But, do we have the right to invade another country to make things better for its citizens? And, if so, why are we not racing to the sides of those dying in Darfur? Much longer and they will be gone for good! But, alas, they have no oil... We do not stand up for the women being subjugated and tortured in places like Saudi Arabia (an ally even after 9/11).
We cannot be on the side of right in Iraq if we are ignoring places like Darfur.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 28, 2006 8:37:14 GMT -5
I have at times come to concider this possibility as well Marcus. Though when I hear the stories of the valor of men and women on both sides I am able to take heart. My question is however, what can be pointless about a war that saves innocent lives? Not that I'm a war monger btw. I work with an 18 yr old kid whos going over seas in a few months. I would love to see the boy not have to go see what goes on under fire, but unfortunatly at times such can not be helped I'm afraid. I suppose I'm not certain which innocent lives we are saving. There was a story on NPR this weekend about all the Iraqi bodies being pulled out the the river, every day, having been bound and executed and tossed aside. There are innocents killed every day on all sides in the wars being fought today. Are fewer dying? I am NOT for Hussein in any way. I just do not see that we've improved the situation. Outside of the 'Green Zone', life is worse for the Iraqi citizens, not better. All wars are fought on different levels (onions, Senbecc?). Those who want the land or power, those who are fighting for the 'cause' and those who pay the price who are caught in the middle. There have been many wars that were fought for noble reasons by the soldiers but had underlying 'true' reasons by those in power (Civil War in the US, etc.). As to the prophecies coming true, I doubt there was a time when you could not point to events and say the same. Perhaps they are vague (or onions) to keep us vigilent? Those who have been liberated, and no longer have to live in fear of dictators might disagree with some of the assesments being made. I saw a special about some of those people the other night. Each of them were thanking us for liberating their various provinces, some of were tear filled thanks. It is for those who can not be strong themselves, that we must be strong for. In war however, there are innocent people who are killed. Such things can't be helped, but at least our soldiers try, and it was very good to hear something besides bad news for a change. As to the prophecy, I suppose anything is possible.
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Post by wren on Jul 28, 2006 11:03:41 GMT -5
Are there others, aside from the Morrigan, who prophesied similar ends?
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Post by bran_sinnach on Aug 6, 2006 3:01:06 GMT -5
Regarding the Prophecy of the Morrigan (considering I follow the Morrigan, I thought I should chime in), I actually see something much different than the interpretation that most come away from it with. The key is that this would be the end of time, or in my view, a time or an age. It is not the end of the world or even of man, just the passing of an age. As someone said, there is hardly a time when you can not find these things someplace in the world. This is because most things that exist in our universe, whether they are a flower, a person, or a civilization, follow a similar pattern. They are created, often through strife and struggle, they then flourish and continue growing until they finally reach a pinnacle or epitome, and then they begin to decay as steadily as they once grew until finally they come to some sort of end, which almost always occurs from strife or struggle, as did the objects birth. It is a pattern that mirrors itself with opposites, and represents the concept of a balance between ‘light’ and ‘dark’ in all things. I feel rather than forecasting the doom of everyone and everything, the Morrigan was merely foretelling the end of a time or age, or maybe even just giving the basic layout of the end of almost every age. Considering her three prime aspects are war, death, and change, I think it would only be fitting for her message to apply to the end of each age(and on a certain level, everything else as well) since it often contains all three aspects. However, as I have said before, that does not make her, or these events themselves, ‘bad’ or negative. They are as necessary for continuation as is the ‘birth’ portion of the cycle. They are mirrors of one another, and quite simply, you can not have one without the other. So don’t worry too much, I don’t think any of us will be seeing the Apocalypse bogeyman anytime soon, or for those of us who still hold out hope for mankind, ever.
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 6, 2006 9:38:19 GMT -5
Are there others, aside from the Morrigan, who prophesied similar ends? First I think it should be remembered that the Mórríghan made two prophecies, each very different from the last...We have yet to see the utopia she descibes in the first...Just something to concider. As for your question, are we talking world culture, or Celtic culture?
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 6, 2006 9:45:25 GMT -5
Regarding the Prophecy of the Morrigan (considering I follow the Morrigan, I thought I should chime in), I actually see something much different than the interpretation that most come away from it with. The key is that this would be the end of time, or in my view, a time or an age. It is not the end of the world or even of man, just the passing of an age. As someone said, there is hardly a time when you can not find these things someplace in the world. This is because most things that exist in our universe, whether they are a flower, a person, or a civilization, follow a similar pattern. They are created, often through strife and struggle, they then flourish and continue growing until they finally reach a pinnacle or epitome, and then they begin to decay as steadily as they once grew until finally they come to some sort of end, which almost always occurs from strife or struggle, as did the objects birth. It is a pattern that mirrors itself with opposites, and represents the concept of a balance between ‘light’ and ‘dark’ in all things. I feel rather than forecasting the doom of everyone and everything, the Morrigan was merely foretelling the end of a time or age, or maybe even just giving the basic layout of the end of almost every age. Considering her three prime aspects are war, death, and change, I think it would only be fitting for her message to apply to the end of each age(and on a certain level, everything else as well) since it often contains all three aspects. However, as I have said before, that does not make her, or these events themselves, ‘bad’ or negative. They are as necessary for continuation as is the ‘birth’ portion of the cycle. They are mirrors of one another, and quite simply, you can not have one without the other. So don’t worry too much, I don’t think any of us will be seeing the Apocalypse bogeyman anytime soon, or for those of us who still hold out hope for mankind, ever. I don't feel that the Mórríghan was prophecizing the end of the world...She never makes the statment, "that will be the end of the world, or time" or anything similar, but more over descibes a time with out morals or honor, or as "an evil time". I honestly don't feel (personally) that the prophecy is fulfilled, but we are getting a little close for comfort...
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Post by wren on Aug 10, 2006 14:39:10 GMT -5
Are there others, aside from the Morrigan, who prophesied similar ends? First I think it should be remembered that the Mórríghan made two prophecies, each very different from the last...We have yet to see the utopia she descibes in the first...Just something to concider. As for your question, are we talking world culture, or Celtic culture? Celtic culture, Senbecc. I have not studied the Mórríghan in any depth as yet and just wondered if any of the other Celtic Pantheon set forth prophesies? Not worried here, bransinnach. I see these things as you have suggested... the end of one age or time, the beginning or birth of another. I was just wondering about Celtic prophesies for the end of time or the end of an age...
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