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May 21, 2006 19:53:23 GMT -5
Post by ihrian on May 21, 2006 19:53:23 GMT -5
argh, no one cares bout exams!!! lol i know i dont anyway, so long as i pass...
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May 23, 2006 15:52:11 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on May 23, 2006 15:52:11 GMT -5
*taps toe*
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May 31, 2006 17:28:37 GMT -5
Post by Der Trommler on May 31, 2006 17:28:37 GMT -5
Thank you...it's a start for me!! I'm looking into how to say the names as well. Anyone know good books or cd's on Gaelick (was Celtic a language or a variation of Gaelick)
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May 31, 2006 18:48:04 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on May 31, 2006 18:48:04 GMT -5
Thank you...it's a start for me!! I'm looking into how to say the names as well. Anyone know good books or cd's on Gaelick (was Celtic a language or a variation of Gaelick) Ihrian is going to tell us what and how the Gaelic languages are and how they came to be. In the mean time, I've been thinking I would make a table of pronunciations for Celtic Gods, as such things may be difficult to find in any particular book. I had a site not long ago which I used to better my own pronunciations as well as my grammar, but I can't remember the name of the site...Plus it was a paid site if that make any difference?
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May 31, 2006 19:10:12 GMT -5
Post by ihrian on May 31, 2006 19:10:12 GMT -5
kk, here goes... celtic originally is a language, spoken by the celts until 700BC, when it split into 2 types-continental and insular. continental now doesnt exist, but insular does and is split into to groups..q celtic (goidelic/gaelic) and p celtic (brythonic/brittish). 'q' is this because it kept the hard c sound (k)...and 'p' is so because it uses 'p', and was influenced by the italic language.. q celtic consists of irish, scottish and manx, and p celtic consists of welsh, cornish and breton. q celtic is closer to the original celtic language, and the 3 are quite similar-a scot could probably understand an irish speaker quite well...but there is quite a large difference between q and p...all 6 are still spoken today, but some are in danger of becoming extinct.
as for books or tapes, i have no idea, i use the net. but try the library, i recently found out mine has language cds and tapes, im gunna check it out...crossses fingers!!
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Jun 1, 2006 7:12:34 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 1, 2006 7:12:34 GMT -5
kk, here goes... celtic originally is a language, spoken by the celts until 700BC, when it split into 2 types-continental and insular. continental now doesnt exist, but insular does and is split into to groups..q celtic (goidelic/gaelic) and p celtic (brythonic/brittish). 'q' is this because it kept the hard c sound (k)...and 'p' is so because it uses 'p', and was influenced by the italic language.. q celtic consists of irish, scottish and manx, and p celtic consists of welsh, cornish and breton. q celtic is closer to the original celtic language, and the 3 are quite similar-a scot could probably understand an irish speaker quite well...but there is quite a large difference between q and p...all 6 are still spoken today, but some are in danger of becoming extinct. as for books or tapes, i have no idea, i use the net. but try the library, i recently found out mine has language cds and tapes, im gunna check it out...crossses fingers!! Nicely put, I would only add that the Gaelic language is how the Celts were classified. Gaelic is a family of languages spoken only by the Celts. Also, with the texts, references are given to how Gaelic came to be. It is said that Gaedel Glas Born of Scota (An Egytian Pharo's duaghter, by whom the Scots took their name) fashioned the Gaelic language out of the 72 that were broken up by God, after the "Deluge" or great flood according to the Leabhar Gabhála's Book of Leinster.
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Jun 2, 2006 13:17:45 GMT -5
Post by Der Trommler on Jun 2, 2006 13:17:45 GMT -5
Books? I've feel inept right now....I love the site to which I can read!!! Which books are these? I'd like a bit more reading when I get the $$$
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Jun 5, 2006 12:39:38 GMT -5
Post by Der Trommler on Jun 5, 2006 12:39:38 GMT -5
For some reason, these are the ones that stand out to me. Mostly, Irish but some Scottish and a few Wales....
Angus Mac Og - Ireland; god of youth, love, and beauty. One of the Tuatha De Danann, name means "young son". He had a harp that made irresistible music, and his kisses turned into birds that carried messages of love. His brugh, underground fairy palace, was on the banks of the Boyne River. Variants: Angus or Oengus of the Brugh, Angus Mac Oc.
Badb - (Bibe) Ireland; goddess of enlightenment, inspiration, life, wisdom. Sister of Macha, the Morrigan, and Anu, the name of this goddess means "boiling," "battle raven," and "scald-crow". Known as Cath Bodva in Gaul. A Mother Goddess and Triple Goddess, Badb's cauldron boiled with the ever-producing mixture that produced all life. Variants: Badhbh, Badb Catha.
Banba - Ireland; one of a triad of goddesses that included Fotia and Eriu.
Bel - Ireland, Wales; god of cattle, crops, fertility, fire, healing, hot springs, prosperity, purification, science, success. A sun and fire god closely connected with the Druids and the festival of Beltaine (May 1). Variants: Belenus, Belinos, Beli Mawr (Wales).
Bran the Blessed - Wales; god of prophecy, the arts, war, music, writing. Associated with ravens; the brother of Manawydan ap Llyr and Branwen. His father Llyr was a sea god. Variant: Benedigeidfran.
Brigit - Ireland; goddess of agriculture, fire, healing, inspiration, learning divination, occult knowledge, poetry, prophecy, smithcraft. Her Gaelic name of Breo-saighead means "fiery arrow" or "fiery power". Celts often referred to her as being three in one - the Triple Brigits or the Three Mothers. An ever-burning fire was kept in her honor by her nineteen priestesses who lived in a sacred temple at Kildare. She was also a daughter of the Dagda. Variants: Brid, Brig, Brigid, Brighid.
Cernunnos - all Celtic areas in some form; god of animals, commerce, crossroads, fertility, reincarnation, virility, warriors, woodlands. Druids knew him as Hu Gadarn, the Honored God. Ancient Celtic images show him seated in a lotus position, naked, with antlers or horns on his head. Animals that were sacred to him: bull, ran, stag, and horned serpents. Variants: Cerowain, Cernenus, Herne the Hunter.
Cerridwen - Welsh; goddess of death, initiation, inspiration, magic, regeneration. Known as a moon goddess, Great Mother, and grain deity; wife of the giant Tegrid. She brewed a magical potion of wisdom in her cauldron, and forced the young Taliesin to stir it for a year and a day. When he accidentally swallowed the last three drops, he was transformed into a bard. Welsh bards once called themselves Cerddorion "sons of Cerridwen," meaning they received their initiation from Cerridwen herself. Variants: Caridwen, Ceridwen.
The Dagda - Ireland; god of the arts, knowledge, magic, music, prophecy, prosperity, regeneration. Known as the "Good God" and "Lord of the Heavens," he was one of the high kings of the Tuatha De Danann and had four great palaces under hollow hills. Of his children, the most important are Brigit, Angus, Midir, Ogma and Bodb the Red. His magical cauldron had an inexhaustible supply of food and his oak harp made the seasons change.
Diancecht - Ireland; god of healing, magic, medicine, regeneration. Physician-magician of the Tuatha De Danann; his sons were Miach, Cian, Cethe, and Cu, his daughter Airmed was also a great physician. Variant: Dian Cecht.
Danu - Ireland; Mother of the Gods, she was goddess of rivers and wells, magic, plenty, wisdom. Possible aspect of Anu; ancestress of the Tuatha De Danann. Variant: Dana.
Don - Ireland, Wales; in Ireland, goddess who ruled over the Land of the Dead. In Wales, goddess of sea and air. For both, generally a goddess of the elements, communicating with the dead.
Druantia - several Celtic areas; goddess known as Queen of the Druids and Mother of the tree calendar.
Eadon - Ireland; nurse of poets
Eiru - Ireland; daughter of the Dagda, her alternate name, Erin, was given to Ireland.
Flidais - Ireland; goddess of forests, wild creatures. A shapeshifting goddess who rode in a deer-drawn chariot.
Goibniu - Ireland, Wales; god of blacksmiths, weapon-makers, brewing. One of a triad of Tuatha De Danann craftsmen, he was called the Great Smith. Weapons that he forged always hit their mark and made fatal wounds. The other two craftsmen were Luchtain the wright, and Creidne the brazier.
Lugh - (Loo) Ireland, Wales; a sun god of all crafts and arts, healing, journeys, prophecy. Son of Cian, a Tuatha De Danann. Of legend, his skills were without end; in Ireland he was associated with ravens; and a white stag as his symbol in Wales. He had a magic spear and otherworldly hounds. His festival was Lughnassadh, or Lunasa - August 1. Variants: Llew, Lug, Lugus, Lugh Lamhfada (of the long arm), Lug Samildananch (much skilled).
Macha - Ireland; goddess of cunning, death, sheer physical force, war; protectoress in both battle and peace. Known as Crow, Queen of Phantoms, and the Mother of Life and Death, she was honored at Lunasa. Variants: Mania, Mana, Mene, Minne.
Manannan Mac Lir - (May-nah-naun) Ireland, Wales; a shapeshifting god of the sea, magic, navigators, commerce, storms, rebirth, weather. The chief Irish sea god whose special retreat was the Isle of Man. In Wales his name was Manawydan ap Llyr. He had several magical weapons and a suit of armor that made him invisible; and his swine kept the Tuatha De Danann from aging.
Merlin - Wales, Britain; god of all forms of magic and prophecy, healing, illusion, the arts. Originally an ancient Welsh Druid, priest of the fair religion, and great magician. He was transformed in the later Arthurian sagas. Tradition says he learned his powerful magic from the Goddess in her forms of Morgan, Viviane, Nimue, and Lady of the Lake. Legend says he now lies sleeping in a hidden crystal cave. Variants: Merddin, Myrddin. More info on Merlin & Nimue
Morrigan - Ireland, Wales, Britain; a shapeshifting war goddess of lust, magic, prophecy, revenge, war. Known as Great Queen, Supreme War Goddess, Queen of Phantoms, and Specter Queen, she kept company with Fea (hateful), Badb (fury), and Macha (battle). Variants: Morrigu, Morrighan, Morgan.
Neit - Ireland; god of battle.
Niamh - (Nee-av) Ireland; possible form of Badb, this goddess was called Beauty and Brightness and helped heroes at death.
Nuada - (Noo-ada) Ireland, Wales; god of harpers, healing, historians, magic, poets, warfare, writing. King of the Tuatha De Danann at one time, he had to step down when he lost his hand in battle; it was replaced by a silver one. Variants: Lud, Lludd, Llaw, Ereint, Nudd, Nodens.
Ogma - God of eloquence, inspiration, language, magic, music, physical strength, poets, writers. Invented the Ogam script alphabet and carried a huge club similar to Hercules'. Variants: Oghma, Ogmios, Grianainech (sun face), Cermait (honey-mouthed).
Scathach - (Scau-ahch) Ireland, Scotland; goddess of healing, magic, martial arts, prophecy. Called the Shadowy One, She Who Strikes Fear, and the Dark Goddess, she was a warrior woman and prophetess who lived in Albion, possibly on the Isle of Skye, and taught martial arts. Variants: Scota, Scatha, Scath.
Taliesin - Wales; god of magic, music, poetry, wisdom, writing. Known as Prince of Song, Chief of the Bards of the West, and Patron of Druids, he was a great magician, bard, and shapeshifter who gained his knowledge from the goddess Cerridwen directly.
White Lady - all Celtic countries; goddess of death and destruction. Called the Dryad of Death and Queen of the Dead, this goddess was a Crone aspect of the Goddess.
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Jun 7, 2006 4:05:11 GMT -5
Post by Lela on Jun 7, 2006 4:05:11 GMT -5
Thought I'd give Senbecc's little deal a spin. Please let me know if there are any glaring errors here, it's 2am here, and while I am having trouble sleeping, that doesn't mean I'm necessarily awake The MorríganMorrígan is actually not her name, but a title, The Morrígan (although the meaning of Morrígan is disputed, many people will say it means “Great Queen” but some others may say “Phantom Queen”). Legend says The Morrígan’s name is actually Anann, and she is one of the daughters of Ernmas and one of the Tuatha Dé Danann. As a brave warrior, The Morrígan is most well known as being a Goddess of battle and having the ability to shape shift into the form of a crow. She helped defeat the Firbolg and the Fomorians at the first and second battle of Mag Tuireadh. However, more legends speak of her relationship (or lack there of) with the hero Cu Chulainn, which reveal that Morrígan is actually a triple Goddess, her other forms being Badb (Crow) and Macha (Raven/Horse) [There is much ambiguity about what the names of her three forms are and whether Macha and Badb are her other aspects, or her sisters. The information above is what I saw most prevalently]. The stories also reveal an alluring nature adding to her résumé Goddess of Fertility/Sexuality and ultimately Goddess of Death as well which ties closely to battle. There are many versions of the tale of The Morrígan and Cu Chulainn, but basically She came to Cu Chulainn and offered her love. He did not realize her true identity and turned her away. In her pain and rejection she threatens him and foretells his death in battle (not a good thing coming from the Goddess of Battle!). Cu Chulainn gets involved with a series of single-combats and with each round The Morrígan appears before him in a different form (first and eel, then a stampede, and then the cow leading the stampede) and hinders his ability to fight. Despite the efforts of The Morrígan though, Cu Chulainn still manages to win the battles and wound her a little each time. After the fights, The Morrígan appears to Cu Chulainn as an old wounded woman with a milking cow. She lets him drink three times and each time he blesses her, healing her wounds with each blessing. Soon after, Cu Chulainn is faced with a large battle, the odds set against his side. He fights brave and fierce before being mortally stabbed with his own spear. With his last strength, he ties himself to a large stone so he can die standing upright. At his death, The Morrígan sits on his shoulder in the form of a crow, signaling to his enemies that he is, indeed, dead. [There is some unpieced bits about The Morrígan in an old woman form tricking Cu Chulainn into eating dog meat which breaks some kind of oath, but I only saw the reference twice, and neither time was it very defined in the story what that was all about. Any help there?] In this single, abridged and paraphrased version of the story, The Morrígan’s aspects can be seen. She first tries beauty, youth and love; on a search for fertility and sexuality. When she is rejected, her other aspects of battle and death are revealed. Ultimately she is not directly in charge of his death but she definitely played a hand in the way the battle went and officially declared him dead in the end.
Personally, I have always seen The Morrígan as a very mysterious and dark Goddess (even after research). Much that is "known" about her is argued and often varies from source to source. She has always seemed one of the greater, or main Goddesses however, which was reinforced with the discovery that she is a triple Goddess. And I'll stop here before I write a whole novel and bore you all to tears.
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Jun 7, 2006 5:38:45 GMT -5
Post by ihrian on Jun 7, 2006 5:38:45 GMT -5
thanks for reminding me bout that, i was gunna do one.. excelent work..i havnt heard about hte dog meat...but im gunna have a look anyway!
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Jun 7, 2006 5:54:13 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 7, 2006 5:54:13 GMT -5
Books? I've feel inept right now....I love the site to which I can read!!! Which books are these? I'd like a bit more reading when I get the $$$ The book I think you are refering to is called the Lebor Gabála Érenn, and if you simply google that you can study the texts for free for now. Also I have one translation of the second battle of Moytura up in the Irish Reconstruction threads if your interested.
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Jun 7, 2006 5:59:34 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 7, 2006 5:59:34 GMT -5
thanks for reminding me bout that, i was gunna do one.. excelent work..i havnt heard about hte dog meat...but im gunna have a look anyway! Cú Chulainn was under a "geis" to never eat any meat from a dog. This I believe was how Morrígan was able to secure his death. And that was a very good very informitive piece Lela, thank you for posting it!
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Jun 7, 2006 6:09:07 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 7, 2006 6:09:07 GMT -5
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