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Jun 15, 2006 5:00:09 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 15, 2006 5:00:09 GMT -5
Dian Cécht son of the Dagda, was the physician of the Tuatha Dé Danann who created and fitted Nuada with his silver hand when it was cut of in the first battle of Moytura by Sreng mac Sengainn of the Fir Bolg, though it was actually Miach son of Dian Cécht who healed Nuada by means of reattatching Nuada's old hand, saying "Jiont to joint, sinew to sinew" and healed Nuada in three days.
Dian Cécht became very jealous of his son's success (not to mention didn't agree with the practice) and wanted to truly test his skill as a doctor, as recounted in the Rivalry of Dian Cécht and his son Miach. So to test his son's skill he threw his sword at his son's head so that it cut the skin down to the flesh, and Miach was able to heal this wound by means of his skill. The second throw cut Miach cut the skin and flesh so that it reached the bone, and again Miach healed the wound by his skill. The third throw would cut through the skin, flesh, and bone down to the membrane of his brain, and once again Miach healed the wound by means of his skill. In an insanly jealous rage Dian Cécht made a fourth throw, this time cutting out Miach's brain so that he dies, and Dian Cécht said nothing, as nothing could heal him of such a blow, not even himself.
In his greif Dian Cécht burried his son and 365 herbs would grow on Miach's grave which are the number of joints and sinews in the hand. Then Airmid sister of Miach gathered the herbs in her mantle and seperated them according to their properties. Dian Cécht then shook the mantle so that the herbs scattered and became mixed so that never again would anyone have full knowledge of herblore.
Dian Cécht is attributed called the 12 doorways of the soul, or the 12 portals of life. Dated to about the 15th century the language used in the tract is from much much earlier. The doorways or portals are as follows:
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Jun 15, 2006 5:00:55 GMT -5
Post by Wolf on Jun 15, 2006 5:00:55 GMT -5
Haha
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Jun 15, 2006 5:06:35 GMT -5
Post by Wolf on Jun 15, 2006 5:06:35 GMT -5
oops dammit forgot to quote
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Jun 15, 2006 5:07:50 GMT -5
Post by Wolf on Jun 15, 2006 5:07:50 GMT -5
Grrr
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Jun 15, 2006 5:15:09 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 15, 2006 5:15:09 GMT -5
LoL, your laughing at me...
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Jun 15, 2006 5:16:18 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 15, 2006 5:16:18 GMT -5
oops dammit forgot to quote
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Jun 24, 2006 16:13:45 GMT -5
Post by wren on Jun 24, 2006 16:13:45 GMT -5
Just asked a question in the Reconstruction forum... is Airmid considered a goddess of healing in the Irish Pantheon?
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Jun 25, 2006 8:27:19 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 25, 2006 8:27:19 GMT -5
Just asked a question in the Reconstruction forum... is Airmid considered a goddess of healing in the Irish Pantheon? This is exactly how I was hoping this thread would run it's course, one name leads to another, and another, and so on. Airmid was an herbal healer, something like a kitchen witch I suppose, she specialized in herbal lore and herbal healing and helped her father to protect the Well of healing. I'll do a piece on Airmid when I'm off for my weekend, in the meantime, here is a site or two you might enjoy reading. www.seanet.com/~inisglas/airmid.htmlwww.clannada.org/gods_airmid.phpThis should tide you over until I get a chance to post some long thought out posts lol.
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Jun 25, 2006 13:06:30 GMT -5
Post by wren on Jun 25, 2006 13:06:30 GMT -5
This should tide you over until I get a chance to post some long thought out posts lol. Can you hear me rubbing my hands together in gleeful anticipation? But, um, both of these sources seem to cite her as a 'goddess of herbal healing...'
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Jun 25, 2006 16:13:05 GMT -5
Post by wren on Jun 25, 2006 16:13:05 GMT -5
How about...
Triuduana ~ A Goddess of the Edinburgh area, rather than submit the the Pict King Nechtan's advances, she plucked out her own eyes in order to destroy her beauty.
I have googled to get just this much...
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Jun 25, 2006 21:07:50 GMT -5
Post by Silver on Jun 25, 2006 21:07:50 GMT -5
I thought I would research Flidais who's consort was Fergus Mac Roich, I chose here because my mothers maiden name is Ferguson, so I guess that means I got scottish blood running through me veins lol
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Jun 25, 2006 21:50:59 GMT -5
Post by Silver on Jun 25, 2006 21:50:59 GMT -5
According to the information in wikilpedia.
Irish Mythology Names Flidais as a member of the race of the Tuatha De'Danann. The epithet she is known by is Foltchain which means "Beautiful Hair"
In the Lebor Gabála Érenn (Book of Invasions) she is said to have been the mother of the cultivators Arden, Bé Chuille, Dinand, and Bé Téite.[1] In the Middle Irish glossary Cóir Anmann ("Fitness of Names") she is said to be the wife of the legendary High King Adamair and the mother of Nia Segamain, who by his mother's power was able to milk deer as if they were cows.[2] According to the Metrical Dindshenchas, she was the mother of Fand.[3]
She appears in the Ulster Cycle, where she is the lover of Fergus mac Róich and the owner of a magical herd of cattle. The Táin Bó Flidais (Driving of Flidais's Cattle) tells how Fergus carried her and her cattle away from her husband, Ailill Finn.[4] During the Táin Bó Cúailnge (Cattle Raid of Cooley) she slept in the tent of Ailill mac Máta, king of Connacht, and every seven days her herd supplied milk for the entire army. [5] In a later version of Táin Bó Flidais she has one cow which can feed 300 men from one night's milking. [6] Another Ulster Cycle tale says that it took seven women to satisfy Fergus, unless he could have Flidais.[7] Her affair with Fergus is the subject of oral tradition in County Mayo.[8]
She is often considered a woodland goddess, and her chariot is reputed to be drawn by deer.[citation needed] She is considered to be the protector of the trees in the forest, the protector of the creatures of the forest, and (in some accounts) the protector of the miscreants of society. Bastard children, slaves, prisoners, and other traditional outcasts of Celtic society have classically fled beneathe her mythological skirts in search of refuge and safety.[citation needed] Other accounts claim Flidais to be the Celtic "Goddess of the Hunt" and she is often toted as the Celtic Artemis. While her temperament could be prone to ferocity, her classic image is one of a benevolent, poised woman, often accompanied by woodland creatures and her bow, as she herself is considered to be a huntress and an accomplished archer.[citation needed
On another site, it is suggested that Bricriu the troublemaker from ulster persuades Fergus to woo her from her husband Ailill Fion, whom is said to have battled Fergus and his men but was slain,
As one can see , the stories , myths and legends surrounding this woman are many and varied.
From RealMagick.com- Obsidian has this description in the occult library. (... deer). Irish.
A Celtic Artemis; a huntress figure associated with archery, the sanctity of forests and the wildlife therein, and the chase. Unlike Artemis, however, Her lustiness and sexual appetite is legendary.
The question to me now is this, Does the goddess Diana, stem from the legends of Flidais or from her daughter , Dinand or from a little of both
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Jun 26, 2006 7:52:42 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 26, 2006 7:52:42 GMT -5
This should tide you over until I get a chance to post some long thought out posts lol. Can you hear me rubbing my hands together in gleeful anticipation? But, um, both of these sources seem to cite her as a 'goddess of herbal healing...' Are you asking why they would list her as a "goddess", or is the herbal healing part throwing you?
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Jun 26, 2006 8:26:17 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on Jun 26, 2006 8:26:17 GMT -5
According to the information in wikilpedia. Irish Mythology Names Flidais as a member of the race of the Tuatha De'Danann. The epithet she is known by is Foltchain which means "Beautiful Hair" In the Lebor Gabála Érenn (Book of Invasions) she is said to have been the mother of the cultivators Arden, Bé Chuille, Dinand, and Bé Téite.[1] In the Middle Irish glossary Cóir Anmann ("Fitness of Names") she is said to be the wife of the legendary High King Adamair and the mother of Nia Segamain, who by his mother's power was able to milk deer as if they were cows.[2] According to the Metrical Dindshenchas, she was the mother of Fand.[3] She appears in the Ulster Cycle, where she is the lover of Fergus mac Róich and the owner of a magical herd of cattle. The Táin Bó Flidais (Driving of Flidais's Cattle) tells how Fergus carried her and her cattle away from her husband, Ailill Finn.[4] During the Táin Bó Cúailnge (Cattle Raid of Cooley) she slept in the tent of Ailill mac Máta, king of Connacht, and every seven days her herd supplied milk for the entire army. [5] In a later version of Táin Bó Flidais she has one cow which can feed 300 men from one night's milking. [6] Another Ulster Cycle tale says that it took seven women to satisfy Fergus, unless he could have Flidais.[7] Her affair with Fergus is the subject of oral tradition in County Mayo.[8] She is often considered a woodland goddess, and her chariot is reputed to be drawn by deer.[citation needed] She is considered to be the protector of the trees in the forest, the protector of the creatures of the forest, and (in some accounts) the protector of the miscreants of society. Bastard children, slaves, prisoners, and other traditional outcasts of Celtic society have classically fled beneathe her mythological skirts in search of refuge and safety.[citation needed] Other accounts claim Flidais to be the Celtic "Goddess of the Hunt" and she is often toted as the Celtic Artemis. While her temperament could be prone to ferocity, her classic image is one of a benevolent, poised woman, often accompanied by woodland creatures and her bow, as she herself is considered to be a huntress and an accomplished archer.[citation needed On another site, it is suggested that Bricriu the troublemaker from ulster persuades Fergus to woo her from her husband Ailill Fion, whom is said to have battled Fergus and his men but was slain, As one can see , the stories , myths and legends surrounding this woman are many and varied. From RealMagick.com- Obsidian has this description in the occult library. (... deer). Irish. A Celtic Artemis; a huntress figure associated with archery, the sanctity of forests and the wildlife therein, and the chase. Unlike Artemis, however, Her lustiness and sexual appetite is legendary. The question to me now is this, Does the goddess Diana, stem from the legends of Flidais or from her daughter , Dinand or from a little of both Celtic Artemis eh?...Sounds like something RM would like alright, on the other hand it wasn't unlike the Greeks and Romans to attribute Celtic Gods to their own. Though it seems very strange that he would do so on his site when he hates it so much when Christians do the same thing with the unkown god of the Greeks. The main problem *I* have with such comparisons, as Flidais and Artemis is for one the way the two very distinct, and very different cultures viewed their gods and goddesses. When Brenius the leader of the Celtic forces at the time and place for example attacked the temple in Delphi, he was seen to laugh at all the depictions of their gods in statues, and the belief that the gods would inhabbit these man made shrines, and buildings. The Celts believe the gods to exist within another realm of existence which can at times over lap our own, and could pay visits to humans in any form so chosen by the god in question through the art of Feth Fiada or Fith Fath to the Scots. These forms could be as springs, horses, birds, a giant "druid" tree or any other form they chose. Unlike the philosophies like those of the Greek, Roman, and even Christian ideas of all powerful all creating gods and goddesses, the Celts saw them more as their ancestery, the beginnings of bloodlines perhaps. So if one is to truly understand who the gods of the Celts are, they must seperate themselves from the conventional idealisms of what a god or goddess is to them, and instead of seeing these beings as seperate, or above you as an individual, you should strive to see them as simply different, and worship them no more than you would worship your own mother or grandmother, or even a best friend. Did I make this at all understandable?
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Jun 26, 2006 15:33:02 GMT -5
Post by wren on Jun 26, 2006 15:33:02 GMT -5
Can you hear me rubbing my hands together in gleeful anticipation? But, um, both of these sources seem to cite her as a 'goddess of herbal healing...' Are you asking why they would list her as a "goddess", or is the herbal healing part throwing you? No, it's because you wrote that she was more kitchen witch than goddess, while everything else I read indicated she was considered a goddess. Just wanted to clarify that a bit, I suppose.
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