Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2006 18:39:42 GMT -5
silver said:According to the information in wikilpedia.
Irish Mythology Names Flidais as a member of the race of the Tuatha De'Danann. The epithet she is known by is Foltchain which means "Beautiful Hair"
In the Lebor Gabála Érenn (Book of Invasions) she is said to have been the mother of the cultivators Arden, Bé Chuille, Dinand, and Bé Téite. In the Middle Irish glossary Cóir Anmann ("Fitness of Names") she is said to be the wife of the legendary High King Adamair and the mother of Nia Segamain, who by his mother's power was able to milk deer as if they were cows. According to the Metrical Dindshenchas, she was the mother of Fand.
She appears in the Ulster Cycle, where she is the lover of Fergus mac Róich and the owner of a magical herd of cattle. The Táin Bó Flidais (Driving of Flidais's Cattle) tells how Fergus carried her and her cattle away from her husband, Ailill Finn. During the Táin Bó Cúailnge (Cattle Raid of Cooley) she slept in the tent of Ailill mac Máta, king of Connacht, and every seven days her herd supplied milk for the entire army.  In a later version of Táin Bó Flidais she has one cow which can feed 300 men from one night's milking.  Another Ulster Cycle tale says that it took seven women to satisfy Fergus, unless he could have Flidais. Her affair with Fergus is the subject of oral tradition in County Mayo.
She is often considered a woodland goddess, and her chariot is reputed to be drawn by deer. She is considered to be the protector of the trees in the forest, the protector of the creatures of the forest, and (in some accounts) the protector of the miscreants of society. Bastard children, slaves, prisoners, and other traditional outcasts of Celtic society have classically fled beneathe her mythological skirts in search of refuge and safety. Other accounts claim Flidais to be the Celtic "Goddess of the Hunt" and she is often toted as the Celtic Artemis. While her temperament could be prone to ferocity, her classic image is one of a benevolent, poised woman, often accompanied by woodland creatures and her bow, as she herself is considered to be a huntress and an accomplished archer.[citation needed
On another site, it is suggested that Bricriu the troublemaker from ulster persuades Fergus to woo her from her husband Ailill
Fion, whom is said to have battled Fergus and his men but was slain,
As one can see , the stories , myths and legends surrounding this woman are many and varied.
From RealMagick.com- Obsidian has this description in the occult library.
(... deer). Irish.
A Celtic Artemis; a huntress figure associated with archery, the sanctity of forests and the wildlife therein, and the chase. Unlike Artemis, however, Her lustiness and sexual appetite is legendary.
The question to me now is this, Does the goddess Diana, stem from the legends of Flidais or from her daughter , Dinand or from a little of both
Celtic Artemis eh?...Sounds like something RM would like alright, on the other hand it wasn't unlike the Greeks and Romans to attribute Celtic Gods to their own. Though it seems very strange that he would do so on his site when he hates it so much when Christians do the same thing with the unkown god of the Greeks.
The main problem *I* have with such comparisons, as Flidais and Artemis is for one the way the two very distinct, and very different cultures viewed their gods and goddesses. When Brenius the leader of the Celtic forces at the time and place for example attacked the temple in Delphi, he was seen to laugh at all the depictions of their gods in statues, and the belief that the gods would inhabbit these man made shrines, and buildings. The Celts believe the gods to exist within another realm of existence which can at times over lap our own, and could pay visits to humans in any form so chosen by the god in question through the art of Feth Fiada or Fith Fath to the Scots. These forms could be as springs, horses, birds, a giant "druid" tree or any other form they chose.
Unlike the philosophies like those of the Greek, Roman, and even Christian ideas of all powerful all creating gods and goddesses, the Celts saw them more as their ancestery, the beginnings of bloodlines perhaps. So if one is to truly understand who the gods of the Celts are, they must seperate themselves from the conventional idealisms of what a god or goddess is to them, and instead of seeing these beings as seperate, or above you as an individual, you should strive to see them as simply different, and worship them no more than you would worship your own mother or grandmother, or even a best friend.
Did I make this at all understandable?
Actually to my suprise I think I do understand, I have always thought that the stories and legends of all of religions gods and goddess stemmed from real people that were just extrordinary, with mental abilities far beyond what is considered the norm for us , which would mean that the goddess Dianna stories would most likely have sprung from Flidais and Dinand stories.
If I have missed the point here please let me know and explain using small words lol