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Post by Der Trommler on Sept 15, 2006 19:14:18 GMT -5
I tried reading without the book & was fumbling around a bit. Although, once I heard the pronunciation, I understood reading it. I am trying to use it more but I don't have many people here who want to play along! lol This one is for beginner's (probably for tourists! lol)...It's called Irish for beginners by Passport Books. Goes over things like saying hello, goodbye...counting, asking what something is or to translate to English. But I don't know which dialect it is. I will pick up another one at the library & soon after will start buying some CD/books (the most useful for learning languages aside from having a teacher! I'm going to learn Irish a bit & probably fall into Gaelic but I may go to Scottish & then Gaelic. Not sure, but this why I started the thread!!! lol Is it one of those books with a tape included? It would be very hard to get the pronuctiations right without hearing the words spoken to you. Most of the Irish you will learn will be Munster Irish. But most of the Irish you hear in the media is Donegal Irish mostly because during the troubles IRA and Republican propaganda was in Donegal Irish. The US media just took that dialect and ignored the other.
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Post by ihrian on Sept 16, 2006 7:37:58 GMT -5
i found a site a while back that seems great, but i reallly need to listen to it for the pronounciations. it has them but i dont have the right software to play it. i do have a pronouciation guide but it doesnt help much for the longer words! www.maths.tcd.ie/gaeilge/lessons.html
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Post by Der Trommler on Sept 16, 2006 9:00:35 GMT -5
Thanks! Maybe we can learn how to read i nGaelige here? Anyone else learning too?
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Post by wren on Sept 17, 2006 18:32:26 GMT -5
Well, I'm all for Gaelic lessons!
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Post by ihrian on Sept 21, 2006 6:02:55 GMT -5
ooh, can we can we?!!! thatd be brilliant!!! pweeeeeaaaaaaaaase?!!!!
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Post by wren on Sept 21, 2006 10:03:57 GMT -5
Well, I'm leaving tomorrow to go camping for the first time in over 20 years. When I get back I will start to put up the lessons I have on hand for Scots Gaelic, if you want me to.
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Post by Der Trommler on Sept 28, 2006 18:35:53 GMT -5
OOOOHHHHH!!! That too. I figure to try to learn all that I that would be derived from Gaelic. Isn't Scottish really the closest to Gaelic?
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Post by wren on Sept 29, 2006 9:37:27 GMT -5
Well, there's Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic. Close, similar to one another, but not exactly the same. Then, there's 'Scots' which is more of a colloquial insular Highland language somewhere between Gaelic and English.
I don't think pure Scots Gaelic is spoken much at all any longer, except perhaps in some more isolated areas. It was against the law to teach Gaelic in Scotland after the uprisings and the proscriptions. Which, in turn, is why I am so fired up to learn it! *grin*
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Post by Marcus on Sept 30, 2006 17:42:16 GMT -5
Yeah!!!!! Many people gave their lives for their language especially in Ireland! Even in the past 30 years people have been killed in the north of Ireland for speaking their language. If they are willing to die for something it is obviously something special.
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Post by ihrian on Oct 1, 2006 8:38:28 GMT -5
does that still happen marcus? werent they trying to bring back the language?
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Post by Der Trommler on Oct 2, 2006 19:00:56 GMT -5
For me, mo'mathair (memory may be off...still trying to learn) is full blooded Irish (from somwhere around Dublin). My father's side is a bit of a mix (Murray)....So, we traced it back & the heritage came from Aberdeen (a highlander, no doubt!!! lol)....So, I really want to be able to learn EVERY PART of Gaelic (whether it is Irish, Scottish, or anything in between) I'm up for it! According to another book I'm reading, Irish (I think Donegal) is the language (for the most part) they are integrating. From what I remember what this book says, Irish was almost completely wiped out around the potatoe famine. So, they have that as the national language & it is kind of a mixture of the other dialects (lack of a better word) of Irish (Munster?) But this is from a book for me & while it may have some truths to it, I've already found oddities to the two books I've read. For instance, Conas Ata' Tu' to Conas Ta' Tu' (both books have replied that is 'How are you doing?' But the Ata & Ta is something I'm trying to connect as slang or are they both correct? Oooh, I am already excited about learning more! By the way, these books have audio tapes but they too vary in pronunciation....Does anyone speak Irish here? John? Marcus?
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Post by Marcus on Oct 3, 2006 14:10:18 GMT -5
does that still happen marcus? werent they trying to bring back the language? Well most of the troubles are behind us but in certain parts of N.Ireland if you where to speak Irish to someone you will be in trouble. But there are very few places like that. In The South of Ireland Irish is compulsory. The students there need to pass an exam in it if they wish to go to universoty. So the language is coming back. And in the North all signs and road signs are now in Irish and in English.
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Post by Marcus on Oct 3, 2006 14:15:09 GMT -5
For me, mo'mathair (memory may be off...still trying to learn) is full blooded Irish (from somwhere around Dublin). My father's side is a bit of a mix (Murray)....So, we traced it back & the heritage came from Aberdeen (a highlander, no doubt!!! lol)....So, I really want to be able to learn EVERY PART of Gaelic (whether it is Irish, Scottish, or anything in between) I'm up for it! According to another book I'm reading, Irish (I think Donegal) is the language (for the most part) they are integrating. From what I remember what this book says, Irish was almost completely wiped out around the potatoe famine. So, they have that as the national language & it is kind of a mixture of the other dialects (lack of a better word) of Irish (Munster?) But this is from a book for me & while it may have some truths to it, I've already found oddities to the two books I've read. For instance, Conas Ata' Tu' to Conas Ta' Tu' (both books have replied that is 'How are you doing?' But the Ata & Ta is something I'm trying to connect as slang or are they both correct? Oooh, I am already excited about learning more! By the way, these books have audio tapes but they too vary in pronunciation....Does anyone speak Irish here? John? Marcus? Well i dont speak Irish but i was given the opportunity to study it for two years at school so i knew some basic Irish. But to my great joy my girlfriend is a fluent Irish speaker but she speaks in the Munster Dialect so its confusing as i learnt the ulster dialect. Im not sure the best way to explain the differernt things you have asked! Because of the different dialects things get mixed and in some causes things are shortened. Thats why its so hard to learn Irish.
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Post by Der Trommler on Oct 5, 2006 18:55:46 GMT -5
I'm finding that Irish is easy & difficult because of the dialects. The spellings are odd. FH (in any word is silent) Although, it's better than English where Through, Rough, Though, Cough all are spelled with that damn 'ough' but the word sounds so much different! ok: So...Dia Dhuit, Conas ata tu? Dave is ainm dom... I've got a couple of others but I need to get the feel of the language. Anyway.....
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Post by wren on Oct 6, 2006 11:23:03 GMT -5
Did you see the new language lessons board? I will add more as I get time but feel free to add anything to them as well!
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