berissford-Ellis is a charletan to see for yourself how bad he is take any of his translations then go to
CraobhCrua.org enter An Chartlann and go to mythology.
Or any other site really to see the difference. Beresford Ellis makes up a pantheon simaler to that of the Greek/Roman one and continues his plagerism from there.
he Also tries to link native Gaelic culture with Vedic indian practice. language I'll give you but religion... madness.
he's also gone on to push the Lost tribe of israel Idea (where all irish people are decended from a lost tribe in the bible) that lead to british israelites digging up Tara hill looking for the Ark Of the Covenant and destroying alot of our heritage in the process.
ADF quote him alot but IMO if your studying Welsh practice learn Welsh dont bother with the pseodo history its all guess work.
Learning Welsh will put you ahead of the Likes of the Matthews who dont speak their native tongue and Ellis who from the translations Ive read either cant speak any celtic languages or has no appreciation for the culture...
Ah and senbec Man,
The monks were Irish first, christian second (look up ST Colum Kill and Iona to see how IRISH) and were still ruled by Brehon law so they couldnt misquote Legend even if they wanted too.
i know ye asked me first but the paper I posted above kinda says it for me. Do ye have ref's for those food Oghams etc they wouldnt have survived over 1000 years in irelands soggy soil.
Why yes I do Ardri. That reference would be the Auraicept na n-Éces. The different types of ogham are listed as follows.
THIS IS SOW OGHAM. This is group B prius.
White b, grey l, black f, amber s, blue n.
Group H. Accompanying litter of a white (i.e. milch-) sow h, grey d, black t, amber c, blue q.
Group M. Litter of a white sow m, grey g, black ng, amber str, blue r.
Group A. Pig-in-pen of a white sow a, grey o, black u, amber e, blue i. Diphthong group here: Hog-in-pen of a white sow ea, grey oi, black ui, amber io, blue ae.
RIVER-POOL OGHAM
Group B. Barrow b, Lower Shannon 1, Foyle f, Shannon s, Nith n.
Group H. h-Othain (Fahan) h, Dergderg d, Teith t, Catt c, Cusrat q.
Group M. Muinten m, Gaval g, Graney ng, Sruthair str, Rye r.
Group A. Aru a, Eobul, Uissen, Erbus, Indiurnn.
FORTRESS OGHAM
Group B. Bruden, Liffey, Femen, Seolae, Nephin.
Group H. h-Ocha, Dinn Rig, Tara, Cera, Corann.
Group M. Meath, Gabur, nGarman, Streulae, Roigne.
Group A. Ae(Cualand), Odba, Usney, Navan, Islay.
BIRD OGHAM
Group B. besan pheasant (?), lachu duck, faelinn gull, seg hawk, naescu snipe.
Group H. Aadaig night raven (?), droen wren, truith starling, querc hen.
Group M. mintan titmouse, geis swan, ngeigh goose, stmolach thrush, rocnat small rock (?).
Group A. aidhircleog lapwing, odoroscrach scrat (?), uiseog lark, ela swan, illait eaglet (?).
COLOUR OGHAM
Group B. ban white, liath grey, flann red, sodath fine-coloured, necht clear.
Group H. huath terrible, dub black, temen dark grey, cron brown, quiar mouse-coloured.
Group M. mbracht variegated, gorm blue, nglas green, sorcha bright, ruadh red.
Group A. alad piebald, odhar dun, usgdha resinous, erc red, irfind very white.
CHURCH OGHAM
Group B. Bangor, Laith, Ferns Saigear, Noendruim.
Group H. h-Irard (Cluain), Durrow, Terryglass, Clonmacnois, Kildare.
Group M. Mugna, Shrule, Rahen, etc.
Group A. Armagh, etc.
MAN (HUMAN BEING) OGHAM
Man or hero for group B, one man, two,’ three, four, five men.
Minna nobles (or women) or clerics for group H, i.e., a woman, two, three, four, five women.
Youth for group M, one youth, two, three, four, five youths.
Boy or lad for group A, one boy, two, three, four, five boys, one boy for a, two for o, three for u.
WOMAN OGHAM
Heroines for group B after the same procedure (or method), one for b, two for 1, thus all down.
Nuns for group H.
Maidens for group M.
Girls for group A, one for a, two for u.
AGRICULTURAL OGHAM
Group B. biail axe, loman rope, fidba hedge-bill, srathar pack-saddle, nasc ring.
Group H. huartan; dabach cask, tal adze, carr waggon, cual faggot.
Group M. machad, gat withe, ngend wedge, sust flail, rusc basket.
Group A. i.e., Arathar plough, ord hammer, usca heather-brush, epit billhook, indeoin anvil.
KING OGHAM
Bran, Labraidh, etc., and so all, to take for the name, the name of the king that begins with the letter.
WATER OGHAM
Rivulet for group B, one rivulet for b, five for n.
Weir for group H, one weir, two, three, four, five weirs.
River for group M, one river, two, three, four; ’five rivers.
Well for group A, one well, two, three, four, five wells.
DOG OGHAM
Watch-dog for group B, one watch-dog, two, three, four, five watch-dogs.
Greyhound for group H, one greyhound, two, three, four, five greyhounds.
Herd’s dog for group M, one herd’s dog, two, three, four, five herds’ dogs.
Lapdog for group A, one lapdog, two, three, four, five lapdogs.
OX OGHAM
Bull for group B, one bull, two, three, four, five bulls.
Ox for group H, one ox, two, three, four, five oxen.
Bullock for group M, one bullock, two, three, four, five bullocks.
Steer for group A, one steer, two, three, four, five steers.
COW OGHAM
Milch cow for group B, one milch cow, two, three, four, five milch cows.
Stripper for group H, one stripper, two, three, four, five strippers.
Three-year-old heifer for group M, one three-year-old, two, three, four, five three-year-old heifers.
Yearling heifer for group A, etc.
BLIND MAN OGHAM
The man’s name is divided, to wit,
Group B to the right side.
Group H to the left side.
Group M to the right side.
Group A to the left side.
LAME OGHAM
They are the same, viz., a division of the name.
BOY OGHAM
Pregnant women Ogham, that is, the name of the woman is divided there unless she bear a child previously. If, however, she bear a child, it is the child’s name that is divided there; and if there be a letter over, it is a boy. If it be an even number, it would be a daughter that will be born of that pregnancy.
FOOT OGHAM
The fingers of the hand about the shinbone for the letters and to put them on the right of the shinbone for group B. To the left for group H. Athwart the shinbone for group M. Straight across for group A, viz., one finger for the first letter of the groups, two for the second letter, till it would reach five for the fifth letter of whichever group it be.
NOSE OGHAM
The fingers of the hands about the nose, viz., similar to right and left, athwart, across.
SAINT OGHAM.
The name of the Saint with which it will commence is taken for the letter, viz., Brenainn, Laisren, Finnen, Sincheall, Neasan. .H-Adamnan, Donnan, Tighearnach, Cronan, Ciaran. Manchan, George, nGeminus, Strannan, Ruadhan. Aed, Oena, Ultan, Ernen, Ita.
ART OGHAM.
Livelihood, pilotage, poetry, handicraft, notary work.
Trisyllabic poetry, wizardry, turning, harping, fluting.
Soldiering, smithwork, modelling, deer-stalking, dispensing.
Sovereignty, harvesting, brasswork, fowling, fishing, or yew wood work.
FOOD OGHAM, to wit,
Bread, sweet milk, etc.
HERB OGHAM, to wit,
To take the name of whatever herb it be for the letter with which it will commence, ut est, braisech, kale, for b, etc.
Head in Bush, to wit,
Consisting of a letter at the beginning of the word, i.e., as far as the name of it (the letter) resembles the beginning of whatever word it be, to write that letter at the beginning of the name for its own name; and to write the end of the name according to the proper letters. And persisting Ogham is another name for this Ogham, ut est, >-''''--,,--||||--, i.e. cert-le, ball of thread.
Head under Bush, again:
The opposite of the foregoing Ogham, to wit, consisting of a letter at the end of the name, to write the beginning of it according to its proper letters, ut est, >-/-|-||||-////-, i.e., Mael R, to wit, Ruis.
Serpent about Head, to wit,
To write the first letter of the name in the middle of the stem, and to write the name straight thence to the end of the stem; and to write it backwards to the beginning of the stem, so that it is the same thing that stands at the beginning and at the end of the stem, i.e., it is the end of the word which stands on each of them, ut est in hac figura, Ceallah, indifferent to read it up or down; and it is from the middle of it that the name is read, for there stands the first letter of the name, ut est.
Source: Auraicept na N-Éces (The Scholar's Primer) ed. and translated by George Calder, Edinburgh, John Grant 1917.
www.maryjones.us/ctexts/ogham.htmlI've shown you mine.
As for the Irish first thing...Just now they were Latin.