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Post by KittyLane on Dec 29, 2006 20:51:15 GMT -5
i have found that in my studies of wicca, (and trying to find people who are like minded) that many people are secretive. one reason being obviously the public conception of wicca/witchcraft/paganism. while i understand this, its very hard to learn -really learn- without a good teacher guiding you. there is so much rif-raff out on the shelves its easy to buy the, "fluffy" books. i am not saying that some of those books have some substance, but mostly they are a waste of your money. plus when you are seeking a group to be with there are cliques already formed, and witches are like everyone else-they discriminate. i try very hard not to judge people, but it happens. so it makes it very hard to flow with these people. then the thought comes... hey why not make my own group??? back to the unknowns: what are the rules? how do you choose people that you are going to be so exposed with? (then comes the discrimination) being solitary seems like a wise choice at this point, but then you lose the community.
yes i am rambling. this is what has happened to me over the course of a year. i found a group and tried to prove myself worthy, but it seems i might be trying to hard. who knows! i just love the learning that comes with this path. thats my main goal to learn and grow with a community. i hope that i achive that.
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Post by Ogden on Jan 2, 2007 11:28:42 GMT -5
My first questions to you would be, what sort of groups did you make contact with? Were they real Wiccans, or just more of the fluff? And I'm not sure what the rule is on this board about asking people's age, so I will simply say, keep in mind that in Traditional Wicca, there is an age requirement. Wicca is an oathbound, initiatory Mystery priesthood. Not something for everyone. The path is, the priesthood isn't.
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Post by KittyLane on Jan 2, 2007 11:47:00 GMT -5
My first questions to you would be, what sort of groups did you make contact with? Were they real Wiccans, or just more of the fluff? And I'm not sure what the rule is on this board about asking people's age, so I will simply say, keep in mind that in Traditional Wicca, there is an age requirement. Wicca is an oathbound, initiatory Mystery priesthood. Not something for everyone. The path is, the priesthood isn't. no this is a true BTW group. they have invited me to several private meetings. i dont know if they are trying to feel me out without asking me forth rite what i practice, or if they are trying to judge my loyalty.
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Post by Ogden on Jan 2, 2007 11:50:31 GMT -5
My first questions to you would be, what sort of groups did you make contact with? Were they real Wiccans, or just more of the fluff? And I'm not sure what the rule is on this board about asking people's age, so I will simply say, keep in mind that in Traditional Wicca, there is an age requirement. Wicca is an oathbound, initiatory Mystery priesthood. Not something for everyone. The path is, the priesthood isn't. no this is a true BTW group. they have invited me to several private meetings. i dont know if they are trying to feel me out without asking me forth rite what i practice, or if they are trying to judge my loyalty. Are you sure they are BTW? Did you ask their lineage? If they are to be the ones teaching you, there is nothing wrong with asking of their lineage. And always try to get someone who can vouch for them.
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Post by KittyLane on Jan 2, 2007 12:00:58 GMT -5
no this is a true BTW group. they have invited me to several private meetings. i dont know if they are trying to feel me out without asking me forth rite what i practice, or if they are trying to judge my loyalty. Are you sure they are BTW? Did you ask their lineage? If they are to be the ones teaching you, there is nothing wrong with asking of their lineage. And always try to get someone who can vouch for them. yes i am postive of their lineage. they have came out and said what they practice, and teach. they have not specifically said, yes tiffany we will teach you from our circle, just in the general sense. like here is this info, read.
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Post by Ogden on Jan 2, 2007 12:07:48 GMT -5
Are you sure they are BTW? Did you ask their lineage? If they are to be the ones teaching you, there is nothing wrong with asking of their lineage. And always try to get someone who can vouch for them. yes i am postive of their lineage. they have came out and said what they practice, and teach. they have not specifically said, yes tiffany we will teach you from our circle, just in the general sense. like here is this info, read. Some groups won't initiate you unless you actually come right and ask to be a part of their coven. I don't know what your group is like so I wouldn't be able to tell you. Why don't you just come right out and ask them what's up?
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Post by KittyLane on Jan 2, 2007 12:09:39 GMT -5
yes i am postive of their lineage. they have came out and said what they practice, and teach. they have not specifically said, yes tiffany we will teach you from our circle, just in the general sense. like here is this info, read. Some groups won't initiate you unless you actually come right and ask to be a part of their coven. I don't know what your group is like so I wouldn't be able to tell you. Why don't you just come right out and ask them what's up? im afraid. lol thats pathetic, but i feel lucky to just have found a group to be with even on this level.
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Post by sabrina on Jan 5, 2007 11:41:55 GMT -5
If you dont exhibit the proper things they look for in potental students they would probably not even still be talking to you. When they hand you a book and tell you to go read it, they want you to come back with not only questions but your own thoughts and interpretations on things. They are not going to feed you information. They expect you to seek it out, hence why you are called a "seeker"
They don't want "fluff" if that fluff is not willing to change and grow out of that phase. They will guide and teach you as long as you show and eagerness and ability to grow. ALSO no matter how much potential you may or maynot have if you dont have that "spark" so to speak with the other coven members and the comradery and family relationships then you will not be initiated. You have to have that connection. If not then they may try to help you find a different group that you may work well with.
The real training in BTW doesnt happen until after initiation and you cant just walk up to a coven and say "Hey, I wanna be initiated" It doesnt work like that. You have to work with them and get to know them, sometimes it takes longer then other times for people. Alot of it has to do with your readiness, if they dont feel your ready, no matter how much they like you they wont initiate you.
The only advice I can give you is follow thier advice. And yes, I was intemidated for a long time by my elders. It is normal to feel this way.
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Post by Ogden on Jan 5, 2007 13:24:43 GMT -5
First, Traditional Wiccans DO find it offensive when people call themselves Wiccan who are not. Though they don't really get all up in arms over it. It is better to just specify Neo-Wicca or Eclectic Wicca or Faerie Wicca or any of the other numerous "other" Wicca out there when dealing with groups that conisist of different Trads or when dealing with people that you are not familliar with. One can also refer to one's self as follower of the Wiccan path, Wiccan Seeker, etc. Be considerate of those that are Traditional as much as you wish others to be considerate of your path. And for the love of the gods, don't speak for those who you are not a part of. You don't see me speaking for the Heathens or Druids because I am not one and don't know their paths. I am quite well oriented in Ceremonial works. I have been devoted to runes for over 12 years. I am in contact with BTW initiates and am a BTW Seeker myself. I have been studying Wicca almost every day for over 8 years straight, which includes actual practice aside from just learning about it. At one point, I ran my own Circle. (Not a coven, because real covens are lineaged.) I feel I have more than enough room to talk about those things.
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Post by KittyLane on Jan 5, 2007 13:54:16 GMT -5
If you dont exhibit the proper things they look for in potental students they would probably not even still be talking to you. When they hand you a book and tell you to go read it, they want you to come back with not only questions but your own thoughts and interpretations on things. They are not going to feed you information. They expect you to seek it out, hence why you are called a "seeker" They don't want "fluff" if that fluff is not willing to change and grow out of that phase. They will guide and teach you as long as you show and eagerness and ability to grow. ALSO no matter how much potential you may or maynot have if you dont have that "spark" so to speak with the other coven members and the comradery and family relationships then you will not be initiated. You have to have that connection. If not then they may try to help you find a different group that you may work well with. The real training in BTW doesnt happen until after initiation and you cant just walk up to a coven and say "Hey, I wanna be initiated" It doesnt work like that. You have to work with them and get to know them, sometimes it takes longer then other times for people. Alot of it has to do with your readiness, if they dont feel your ready, no matter how much they like you they wont initiate you. The only advice I can give you is follow thier advice. And yes, I was intemidated for a long time by my elders. It is normal to feel this way. yes i agree with the walking up and just asking, is probably not wise. i nod at everything you have stated, and say that i think they know i am a seeker, not a fluffy bun. is there anything else you can tell me about your history with this trad?
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Post by sabrina on Jan 5, 2007 18:48:32 GMT -5
is there anything else you can tell me about your history with this trad? Which trad would that be?
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Post by KittyLane on Jan 5, 2007 19:16:58 GMT -5
is there anything else you can tell me about your history with this trad? Which trad would that be? which ever one or ones you have had experience with. i may be confused, but i thought you were referring to a personal experience.
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Post by Ogden on Jan 5, 2007 21:50:46 GMT -5
If you dont exhibit the proper things they look for in potental students they would probably not even still be talking to you. When they hand you a book and tell you to go read it, they want you to come back with not only questions but your own thoughts and interpretations on things. They are not going to feed you information. They expect you to seek it out, hence why you are called a "seeker" They don't want "fluff" if that fluff is not willing to change and grow out of that phase. They will guide and teach you as long as you show and eagerness and ability to grow. ALSO no matter how much potential you may or maynot have if you dont have that "spark" so to speak with the other coven members and the comradery and family relationships then you will not be initiated. You have to have that connection. If not then they may try to help you find a different group that you may work well with. The real training in BTW doesnt happen until after initiation and you cant just walk up to a coven and say "Hey, I wanna be initiated" It doesnt work like that. You have to work with them and get to know them, sometimes it takes longer then other times for people. Alot of it has to do with your readiness, if they dont feel your ready, no matter how much they like you they wont initiate you. The only advice I can give you is follow thier advice. And yes, I was intemidated for a long time by my elders. It is normal to feel this way. yes i agree with the walking up and just asking, is probably not wise. i nod at everything you have stated, and say that i think they know i am a seeker, not a fluffy bun. is there anything else you can tell me about your history with this trad? BTW is not a Tradition in itself. It stands for British Traditional Wicca, though on the other side of the Pond (i.e.- in the UK) it is simply known as Traditional Wicca. The only Traditions that are recognized as BTW are Gardnerian, Alexandrian, Mohsian, and Central Valley. From what I understand, most anything else is considered Eclectic or American Eclectic unless it is a more specific well-established Tradition such as NROOGD, Bluestar, and other such Traditions, in which case it is known by the Tradition name, but still not considered BTW.
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Post by sabrina on Jan 5, 2007 21:57:08 GMT -5
Which trad would that be? which ever one or ones you have had experience with. i may be confused, but i thought you were referring to a personal experience. I am not Wicca, I am however an initiated witch of the NROOGD tradition. I have however also been a seeker of BTW and know a few that also hold initiation in my trad as well. So that is why I ask which trad you are asking about. I can answer questions from expirence with NROOGD but BTW I can only answer from discussions I have had with those who are initiates.
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