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Post by Senbecc on Feb 16, 2007 16:54:35 GMT -5
I understand, Marcus, but isn't that the point of sites like this one? Isn't this a place where you can educate those who have possibly been misdirected before? Isn't that the very obligation of those who have come to understand this problem? Indeed! Im wasnt trying to say that this forum was misleading people! Ive I was giving people that impression I apoligise. Yes it is our duty to and obligation to educate those who have been misdirected. But I just worry about speaking out about these things incase I offend anyone. A friend of mine came here once and spoke his mind and caused an uproar and on respect for me and this forum he decided it owuld be best that he leave and not cause anymore trouble. He was very blunt in what he said and he definetly should have thought out his words better (even he knew this and told me this). But behind the bluntness he was saying the exact same thing I was saying, he was trying to educate anyone that was perhaps mislead and for that he had to leave. That friend of yours flamed people from his initial post, Nasty gramed them in private messages when they didn't just believe what he was saying, and all around made a mockery of others beliefs, and still I was accused of taking his side over everyone else, while he (and you evidently) blamed me for taking everyone Else's. There are educators and there are people who feel their way is the end all, and I have no trouble categorizing that one, and that is all I will say on that subject.
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Post by Marcus on Feb 17, 2007 12:42:17 GMT -5
When my culture is being destroyed, all around me, it is difficult not to become frustrated. I dont think it is a waste of time or energy to try to save that culture. And it certainly does not make me a bitter person.......yes i get frustrated......but when I do glimpse that culture, that the ancients once loved, I am exultant! And I know that I must spend all of my energy trying to increase that glimpse. When individuals dilute the old ways it means that sooner or later the younger generation will never be able to see what their ancestors truly believed in. That imo is a great offence keeping someone from finding their true heritage. I think this is a bit strong, many Wiccans and Witches have a very strong tie to Irish culture. I was addressing a select few. I know John, I wasnt addressing all Wiccans, thats why I said "when individuals" dilute the old ways and then say it is thr true religion of the celts. When I said my culture was being destroyed all around me I dont just neccesarily mean religion. I know alot of Wiccans have strong ties to the Irish culture. But they cannot claim they are following an Ancient celtic religion. There is more to Irish/Gaelic culture than religion. I am just argueing the religious side of things.
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Post by blackwolf on May 11, 2007 20:55:02 GMT -5
Greetings , me friends : Well, well, well... It's about to get deeper;Since none of you know me , before I begin , and end up getting attacked as one who does not know anything of what I am talking about , let me introduce me self here ... I am Arch Druid Shawn Blackwolf, of the Paleolithic Faery Tradition; I am of Irish, English, Welsh, Southern French, and Cherokee, Bloodlines, just so that is clear before I begin, in this body, at least. I, in no way, shape, or form, am a Celtic Druid, nor modern Faery Tradition, nor modern Wiccan. Nor did the words originate, nor the traditions, from where, and whence, you have been told, whether you are a newbie, well studied Druid,Third degree Witch, or reconstructionist. This is said, with true respect, to you, Senbecc, Marcus, Wren, Kitty, and Mi 'Lladia Anastasia,as well all others reading this post and thread. Now, I could tell you about seeing Raven turn white, and the Sun turn black, but let us save that for another time; For now, let me offer you this:
There are far Older Traditions, than these you are discussing, and arguing about, with the same names,though different spellings; Two of our symbols of the "Old Tongue", pronounced " Ur-Seal ", make the shape of the Dipper, one million years ago. That will give you a beginning understanding of the age of our Tradition, and Language, which all others sprang from...
Firstly the word Druid was our word, with 4 to the 77th power levels of meaning. Now let us look at other words, from the One Tradition. Wietch, Wiecka, Crreayafth. You see, things were not always the same, and as you know, we did not write things down for reconstuctionists to find, especially long ago, though many of our later records were destroyed, long before the Irish, Welsh, or any other, including Norse, let alone Middle Eastern cultures, arose, and rewrote what they remembered, and/or invented. Our Tradition, and Language, is that of the Otherworld, what today could be termed the Steady State, where nothing changes... This creation emanated from that realm,as an Expanding, and changing Universe(s)...A fragmenting, fractalling, place,with varied expressions of the oneness, in every facet. Our Language is what you would call a Hypertext Language, many, many, layered, and was known as The Word...Spoken, Vibrated, Sung, Chanted, Writ, Thought...A speak-see language...Why is this important to this thread? Because it is the language of the Associative Cortices of your brain, translating the waves into particles,and allowing you to percieve your reality...everything you know, is this language. The shape of the strings, at the center of the atoms, is this language, and our sonics, vibrate those strings.(Alkhemi,anyone?) We, The Wieckaan, the Druids and Wietches of Olde, knew this language, and used it on many levels of space-time, and beyond. And, o yes,the study, and the retual. 77 levels to each symbol of our language...Let alone, combining, and permutation. What if I told you, by doing the six things I mentioned above, with the language, for a year and a day, every day, constantly, you would alter your consciousness, and tune to the Stellar, and Telluric Currents, and be able to direct energy, in a different modality? Or boot your human bio-computer, up to a "higher" level? This was the Crreayafth, of Druid, and Wietch...Metaprogrammers of reality...We "speelled" in number/pattern , and spoke in rhyme, thus binding things in time, thru meter, cadence, and the "turning" of a phrase...We knew the underlying quantum dynamics of the Web of Weyyrd...And We were One Tradition...Things have become very lost, and confused, and now we all have arguements such as these...I offer my knowledge , and proofs of what I say freely, to any with the integrity not to attack, yet inquire; And, as a true Druid-Wietch, a Wieckaan of the Crreayafth, I am always learning; We were the originators of Stone Soup... There is so much more to share... All of us ...Bright Blessings
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Post by Lady Anastasia on May 11, 2007 21:14:37 GMT -5
Greetings , me friends : Well, well, well... It's about to get deeper;Since none of you know me , before I begin , and end up getting attacked as one who does not know anything of what I am talking about , let me introduce me self here ... I am Arch Druid Shawn Blackwolf, of the Paleolithic Faery Tradition; I am of Irish, English, Welsh, Southern French, and Cherokee, Bloodlines, just so that is clear before I begin, in this body, at least. I, in no way, shape, or form, am a Celtic Druid, nor modern Faery Tradition, nor modern Wiccan. Nor did the words originate, nor the traditions, from where, and whence, you have been told, whether you are a newbie, well studied Druid,Third degree Witch, or reconstructionist. This is said, with true respect, to you, Senbecc, Marcus, Wren, Kitty, and Mi 'Lladia Anastasia,as well all others reading this post and thread. Now, I could tell you about seeing Raven turn white, and the Sun turn black, but let us save that for another time; For now, let me offer you this: Many welcomes to you Blackwolf and many blessings... I do hope that you will enjoy yourself on this site... I look forward to seeing many more posts..... ~lala
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Post by Senbecc on May 11, 2007 21:45:40 GMT -5
Well alrighty then...I stand corrected...
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Post by blackwolf on May 12, 2007 11:21:32 GMT -5
Mi 'Lladia Anastasia, and Senbecc, many thanks, to you both; And, Senbecc, in no way, would I want ye to feel corrected. Informed, with new information, yes, thus able to attain a new perception, yes, just as hawk scans the fields, from a "higher view"...And you have shown yourself, to have the integrity of the being, I thought you were, as I read all the postings on the Druidcraft threads, before posting.It is always good to learn, yet it takes a true human, to be ready, to do so; I look forward, to learning from you as well...Now, let us breathe new Faery Fire into this cauldron of thought...
I understand,from reading your postings, you have worked very hard, and studied for a long time; And, I cautiously posit, retual? This is honorable, as I am sure the work of Wren, and Marcus, in their fields; Let me offer, though, Marcus,Ireland ( Aerrland, to us ) is geologically speaking, far older than the Himalaya mountains, and many have been the ones, coming, and departing, from it's shores, and face,of the Land...Many the ways, and traditions, many with no records, you will find writ today, except in the language of the stones, by their arrangements, numbers, or by their few, though important, carvings. Folklore, and myth? The books declaring the history of the old country, to you, and the reconstructionists? Yes, those have value, in many the way, as I shall illustrate in a moment... Let me posit this to ye...What makes a genuis different, from the common modalities of thought? The first thing, on the list, wherever ye look, is the ability to make connections, where none seem to be, what We always called the Web of Weyyrd; What if, and bear with me, ye could go back, and sit in the center of that web, seeing the point, or null zone, where all paths converged? Many the branches on the tree, and the branches of branches, and the seeds, the Acorns of Truth, becoming their own trees, their own truths, yet containing the Truth within them, even if one must look deep into the core, or kernel of the seed...Fractals, of fractals, tradition, superpositioned upon Tradition, again and again...The Celts are a young race,and the Tuatha De Danan, (the true spelling ) , and other races, mentioned in the early myths, you have access to, are not Celts... They are Faery, living by different ways, and different laws, not known, or understood by most humans; The Mgieck, I work with, has been called the Mgieck of Fallen Angels; Is that not, in some traditions, a name for me Faery friends? Our Language, my friends, was two original languages, as one...What in recent times, a Coyote of the Craft, a certain gentleman called Crowley, referred to, as the "robe single"... yet was called the Runa, by the Mayans and Incas, which was also their name for themselves, before they were called Mayan, and Inca...To them, it meant, The People...Different names, in different reference points, in space, and time, for one root tradition, underlying them all...Even Lovecraft, the author,referred to them, as the Pnakotic Manuscripts, the language older than human...So, this language; How shall we connect the myths, legends, folklore, and the, as some term it, "history", of all lands, not just Ireland/ Aerrland? Firstly,I must introduce a new thought... Which will, I believe, bring in our Guardian Kitty; ( A pleasure, Mi 'Lladia )... There are two names for the old tongues, as one; Obri, and Runic; And before there are screams from the sidelines, Obri was the pre-Ezra Hebrit, with different shaped letters;( by the way, I now believe this brings in Wren, the ancient priests were told not to change one letter, of the old texts, yet Ezra changed the whole language,in shape, of course, claiming a reconstitution; Think ye not,that has not happened elsewhere? Remember, language, by symbol shape, sound, sonic, and context of meaning, changes consciousness...I am referring to a statement, I believe you made, forgive me if I am wrong, regarding some being told not to alter any texts...ah, but if this were only true! ) And Runic... So many have been told great falsehoods, repeated parrotlike, endlessly, about the Runes... No insult toward ye, me Kitty...I do not want ye to unsheath your claws...The Runes, are on the Aboriginal walls, in the Basque caves, on the Temple walls of Egypt, Native American lodges, and Elk hide scrolls, Mayan codexes, Tibetan cave walls, stone monoliths in South America, the encoding of images, in the Book of Kells, ad (almost)infinitum; Because of the "blinders" of peoples' consciousness, being entrained in certain patterns, they just cannot percieve it; I hope to assist, in that process, of a wider perspective... And there are two Runic systems, as there are two Obri/ Hebrit; One, a 24,one a 29... Which need to be percieved, thru the lens, of a 23+1, and 28+1, configuration ; the 1 being, in the Olde Way, the number value for regeneration; thus leading us to an understanding of the 23 day biorythm cycle of the male/physical, and 28 day biorythm cycle of the feymale/emotional, thus the blood runes, of Woman, or the "Language of the Goddess"; And, for those aware of her work, this links to the works, of Maria Gumbatis... If not, I recommend looking into them...Now we have stories, in the Runic Tradition, of a Female/Male cultural war, as we do, many places, around the world...Let us percieve 29+24=53 and 53, in Obri/Hebrit, equals the value for the words, "garden, lover,and stone..." Hmmm... A story of a garden, and a lover, in one tradition, and do we not have a Faery Stone...? The "Fall Stone" ? And I would bring to your attention, as a Druid, and Rabbi-eyed Blackwolf quantum foamin' at the mouth, the word, "Mouth", in both Obri, and Runic, equals the same number,85, which also means to set in motion, or route,( as in consciousness) Thus, we have two "Oral" traditions, passed down thru the ages, not writ, unless in code, and allegory, fable,and myth...It is when ye have the Dea-coder, which originally allowed the En-coding, to take place, you may dea-cypher, the deeper layers of meaning, superpositioned, one on top of another... This is where your work, me new friends, comes in...Ye have done the hard work of your re-search... I have the code breaker... Stone Soup time... Sorry this was so long , yet I needed to be as clear, as possible, to avoid missed understanding, and conflict, between, and with us. ( not me intention ) Please , ask questions... I shall do me best to answer, and again, let us have peaceful discourse, not discord... Blessings... (P.S. Senbecc: One arrangement of the Olde Runes, is a dual eight ...Two pillars... sum of 1 to 8 , inclusive, = 36 ; In Obri, 36= Goddess, or God ; the Lady, and Lord; the number sum of the whole arrangement, = 994 ; Which just so happens to equal both the Wietch's Book of Shadows, and the Book of the Wietchcrreayafth, by number value, as well, Druidse First Mgieck; Just thought you might find that interesting ) Blackwolf , out...
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Post by stormcat on May 13, 2007 17:28:06 GMT -5
WOW >^oo^<
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Post by blackwolf on May 13, 2007 20:52:28 GMT -5
Respectfully said: Great Mouth,Tigress ! And thank ye, for a WoW!
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Post by KittyLane on May 13, 2007 23:38:27 GMT -5
Yes wow, and keep it coming.
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Post by blackwolf on May 15, 2007 18:13:36 GMT -5
So to continue, on that thought pattern;The sum,of the Lord/Lladia, Father/Mother dual eight columns, with two " Is " Runes, as a ninth level, at the top, equals 1008 ;
1007=RunaCrreayafth 1008=New Order of the Ages 1008=Once and Future Crreayafth 1008=The Once, Long Ago, and Future, Arthur
The two " Is " Runes, at the top, relate to the Pillars of Isis;
1008=Universal Pillars of Isis
Yet, also, from the Druid perception:
1008=Sealmonn's Nine Hazelnuts of Wisdom
Sealmonn, is two Runes, Seal, and Mann=68
68=To Be Wise
Thus, Sealmonn=Salmon/Solomon, by relation....
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Post by blackwolf on May 15, 2007 20:01:29 GMT -5
We may also look at the two"Is" Runes, as " Is " and " is ", thus the ninth level of sealmonn's Wisdom, being, the integration, of the Vast " I ", with the individual " i " ; No less than, just microcosm, and macrocosm; and as an Arch Druid, I offer thee this:
Arch Druid = 447 = Integration
448=Lladia, and Lord
449=Respect / Control ( Two sides, to the coin ) ( And Interactive, too )
As well, let me offer, an old saying, though, we used a different tongue...We are not, as Aerrash Druidse, and Wietches, Modern Eastern, as in Buddhist, so we have always had a different view; ( Aerrash=Irish )
" Aerrash, embrace Ego, and ego, no F*chin' problem " ; We do not dissolve ego, we integrate it with Ego. As the Salmon, said in the pool, on a wintry day, " 'Tis cold fusion, ye know " ;
( Sorry, Jest a Punstar, from Punjab, N'Yuk N'Yuk )
So, after the Blackwolf's temporary pawse...
Another thing, I bring to your attention, with the two " Is " Runes, which are two " I " letter values, is the " I and I " , or I am another yourself, relations, of different world traditions...
And, with the Mann/Monn, Rune being at the bottom of the " Mother's " column, we attain, the expression, " I and I, Monn "... I hope, I and i, Monn, have left you feeling well integrated...
Blackwolf, out....
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Post by blackwolf on May 15, 2007 20:32:00 GMT -5
Two more, relatively quick ones ( As I and i, it's all relative )...;
The sum of our " Mother's " column, plus, an " Is " Rune, = 610
609=Wieckacrreayafth
609=Obri and Runic
610=Silver Branch
And, the sum of the two columns = 994
995=Golden Branch
Woodnut you know ?
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Post by Der Trommler on May 15, 2007 22:09:31 GMT -5
Well, now...I'm not sure what to say to any of this that hasn't been said. First, this seems like something our Numerology thread could use. Second, I was just readind about Lisa Randall, a scientist, who has turned heads with her thoughts on pocket dimensions. While this may not seem like it's relavent to this, I would like to think it might. Here is the very small article that has my interest piqued: www.time.com/time/specials/2007/time100/article/0,28804,1595326_1595329_1615997,00.html I have always believed in other dimensions & how they pertain to us in ours. I can't say that ours is a Prime dimension as there are laws of scientific proof that could say otherwise. Now, her thoughts certainly do help the fact that, if there are other dimensions, then these dimensions would hold some keys to the higher conscious as well as many other wonderful worlds we couldn't imagine. It is possible that in one of these dimensions holds the Gods we believe in. It would be, in fact, that numbers play a huge factor in acheiving this as well. Science & religion mixing...How quaint.....lol Anyway, I feel that Blackwolf has opened a few eyes (my included) & I hope that the posts will pour forth curiously over every thread we have. Thank you, Blackwolf!
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Post by blackwolf on May 16, 2007 0:06:15 GMT -5
Der Trommler, My Friend; Many thanks, to ye...
And, just for your pleasure, by my right elbow, just happens to be sitting a copy of "Warped Passages", by Lisa Randall, her book on hidden dimensions... Finished it in three days, about two, or three months ago; She is correct, on many things, and close on others; In the numerology, of Kcebealla-Qabalah, called Gematria, 602=Asthrreaal (astral) Dimensions 603=Parallel Dimensions
I think I am going to like you, very much...Blessings
( P.S. These Scientists, are just beginning, to catch up, but at least they are getting close... By the way, look up Incunabala, and Ong's Hat, on the web... It's more real, than anyone wants to believe...) ( and that is only parallel dimensions, not the mirror universe! )
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Post by Finn on May 17, 2007 10:07:27 GMT -5
I know alot of Wiccans have strong ties to the Irish culture. But they cannot claim they are following an Ancient celtic religion. There is more to Irish/Gaelic culture than religion. I am just argueing the religious side of things. Exactly. The appropriation of a few terms and holidays does not make Wicca "Celtic" let alone "Gaelic." This is a very common discussion among Reconstructionists and even now among those Wiccans who are interested in scholarship. A particularly good article can be found here: cleticpagan.tribe.net/thread/0368b6ec-1704-4fcc-8e5f-58db7d867044While I respect those who practice Wicca and feel there is little I can do about them (or any other Pagan offshoot) from appropriating cultural words and practices, it is quiet another thing to try and appropriate a cultural identity, and even worse to try to rewrite history.
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