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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 12, 2007 15:06:52 GMT -5
Karma: (Sanskrit k¨¢rman "act, action, performance"; P¨¡li kamma) is the concept of "action" or "deed"in Dharmic religions understood as denoting the entire cycle of cause and effect described in Hindu and Buddhist philosophies.. Concept: Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. The results or "fruits" of actions are called karma-phala. Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward, karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well. It is cumulative. ~~~ Something that I've gotten quite used to seeing or hearing is that Karma is some kind of "watch dog", something that should be feared, etc.. Often times, you'll see arguments about not casting certain kinds of spells, or not practicing spell work because there is a fear of Karmic Retribution.. Now, Karma is viewed a bit differently within the different belief structures.. But, I think that the version that the Western world thinks of is a bit skewed.. I think that Karma has become an excuse, a reason not to do things, because that watchdog is gonna get you if you mess up.. I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks of Karma.. Do you believe in it? What is Karma? How does it affect you?
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 12, 2007 15:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 22, 2007 15:02:09 GMT -5
I'm bumping this thread because I want to respond to it soon, just not much time at the moment lol
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 22, 2007 23:39:31 GMT -5
Karma: (Sanskrit k¨¢rman "act, action, performance"; P¨¡li kamma) is the concept of "action" or "deed"in Dharmic religions understood as denoting the entire cycle of cause and effect described in Hindu and Buddhist philosophies.. Concept: Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. The results or "fruits" of actions are called karma-phala. Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward, karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well. It is cumulative. ~~~ Something that I've gotten quite used to seeing or hearing is that Karma is some kind of "watch dog", something that should be feared, etc.. Often times, you'll see arguments about not casting certain kinds of spells, or not practicing spell work because there is a fear of Karmic Retribution.. Now, Karma is viewed a bit differently within the different belief structures.. But, I think that the version that the Western world thinks of is a bit skewed.. I think that Karma has become an excuse, a reason not to do things, because that watchdog is gonna get you if you mess up.. I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks of Karma.. Do you believe in it? What is Karma? How does it affect you? Well I will say now that I feel that seeing a tradition like Karma "borrowed" westernized and watered down from it original intent by a more popular religion, then the original tenants and understandings of the philosophy lost to the tradition who took it is always sad IMO. Ask 90% of Wiccans and Neo-Pagans what "Karma" is and all you'll get is "bide the law we must" and allot of rule of three references. As you say, for many it has become a way of if you misbehave it'll get ya lol...It's sad how many beliefs become skewed by modern/Neo/western/flower power idealisms IMO...
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 13:16:35 GMT -5
Well I will say now that I feel that seeing a tradition like Karma "borrowed" westernized and watered down from it original intent by a more popular religion, then the original tenants and understandings of the philosophy lost to the tradition who took it is always sad IMO. Ask 90% of Wiccans and Neo-Pagans what "Karma" is and all you'll get is "bide the law we must" and allot of rule of three references. As you say, for many it has become a way of if you misbehave it'll get ya lol...It's sad how many beliefs become skewed by modern/Neo/western/flower power idealisms IMO... Hey Now... Don't get down on the Flower Power... lmao.... You are right about getting the power of 3, etc answers about the "what is Karma?" question, I posted this in other places too,, and got that as an answer a few times.. I think its sad, that Karma has been warped and twisted into something that is really no longer recognizable when compared to it's original beliefs
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 23, 2007 14:27:07 GMT -5
Well I will say now that I feel that seeing a tradition like Karma "borrowed" westernized and watered down from it original intent by a more popular religion, then the original tenants and understandings of the philosophy lost to the tradition who took it is always sad IMO. Ask 90% of Wiccans and Neo-Pagans what "Karma" is and all you'll get is "bide the law we must" and allot of rule of three references. As you say, for many it has become a way of if you misbehave it'll get ya lol...It's sad how many beliefs become skewed by modern/Neo/western/flower power idealisms IMO... Hey Now... Don't get down on the Flower Power... lmao.... You are right about getting the power of 3, etc answers about the "what is Karma?" question, I posted this in other places too,, and got that as an answer a few times.. I think its sad, that Karma has been warped and twisted into something that is really no longer recognizable when compared to it's original beliefs IMO, if you're going to borrow something like this and change it into something it isn't like Wiccan "Karma" then you change the name too. Law of return or three-fold law etc. is fine IMO. However to use the term "Karma" as so many do is wrong. Karma is an eastern philosophy and not a new age one. Change the tradition/philosophy change the name as completely as you changed the latter. Oh and on flower power...
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 23, 2007 14:32:54 GMT -5
This I think goes back to the "Exploiting Buddha" thread on the Eastern boards. Seeing a religion and culture as a way of making money...LoL, selling good Karma...Well why not lol they try to sell us everything else. Just another way to make a buck at the expense of whom ever lol...
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 14:47:36 GMT -5
This I think goes back to the "Exploiting Buddha" thread on the Eastern boards. Seeing a religion and culture as a way of making money...LoL, selling good Karma...Well why not lol they try to sell us everything else. Just another way to make a buck at the expense of whom ever lol... See, the Capitalist Pig in me has no problem with it... It's a way that will make money... What makes me crack up, is the foolish people who really think that Karma can be purchased..
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 23, 2007 17:11:18 GMT -5
This I think goes back to the "Exploiting Buddha" thread on the Eastern boards. Seeing a religion and culture as a way of making money...LoL, selling good Karma...Well why not lol they try to sell us everything else. Just another way to make a buck at the expense of whom ever lol... See, the Capitalist Pig in me has no problem with it... It's a way that will make money... What makes me crack up, is the foolish people who really think that Karma can be purchased.. LoL @ the Capitalist Pig in Lala LoL well I take issue with both sides of this fence. Firstly those being Duped, lol I mean c'mon...If you don't know any more about Buddhism then that, then why would you be interested in having stuff like this at all...Or being concerned with Karma? Secondly those doing the selling are taking advantage of ignorant people, telling them their product is capable of something it isn't...Just sticks in my crawl
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 17:17:24 GMT -5
Secondly those doing the selling are taking advantage of ignorant people, telling them their product is capable of something it isn't...Just sticks in my crawl ahhh,... But "Let the Buyer Beware.." From a legal stand point, the people selling the Karmic Items are doing nothing wrong... (See, this is lala's inner capitalist coming out...lol)
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 17:20:56 GMT -5
Secondly those doing the selling are taking advantage of ignorant people, telling them their product is capable of something it isn't...Just sticks in my crawl lol, I missed this before, but, think about it... Sounds like organized religion doesn't it...
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 23, 2007 17:34:17 GMT -5
Secondly those doing the selling are taking advantage of ignorant people, telling them their product is capable of something it isn't...Just sticks in my crawl ahhh,... But "Let the Buyer Beware.." From a legal stand point, the people selling the Karmic Items are doing nothing wrong... (See, this is lala's inner capitalist coming out...lol) Oh NO! We've brought out Lala's inner capitalist Pig! It may be legal though, but being legal doesn't always make it ethical
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 23, 2007 17:37:29 GMT -5
Secondly those doing the selling are taking advantage of ignorant people, telling them their product is capable of something it isn't...Just sticks in my crawl lol, I missed this before, but, think about it... Sounds like organized religion doesn't it... In many ways yes...As in follow us a little while and we'll save you from damnation? Or follow us and you can be initiated and c'mon who doesn't want that? However these people are stealing something.....Damn it and that sounds like organized religion too
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 17:50:34 GMT -5
ahhh,... But "Let the Buyer Beware.." From a legal stand point, the people selling the Karmic Items are doing nothing wrong... (See, this is lala's inner capitalist coming out...lol) Oh NO! We've brought out Lala's inner capitalist Pig! It may be legal though, but being legal doesn't always make it ethical lol... business Ethics are a very grey area...
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 23, 2007 17:51:28 GMT -5
lol, I missed this before, but, think about it... Sounds like organized religion doesn't it... In many ways yes...As in follow us a little while and we'll save you from damnation? Or follow us and you can be initiated and c'mon who doesn't want that? However these people are stealing something.....Damn it and that sounds like organized religion too haha... see, so, is it only ethical when done in the name of Religious Belief?
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