Finn
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Post by Finn on May 22, 2007 18:31:48 GMT -5
Do I accept that money...Yes, and I am doing it from my social obligation, to take it out of the hands, of a government, which would rather use it for war, or other programs, detrimental, to the common health of the people...I have answered your questions...do not bother answering this post, my friend, cause I am gone...I've said, what needed, to be said, by me, to contribute, to what i percieve, as the positive direction of this thread...I bring everyone back to the original question...Is lycanthropia, a mind condition, or is it real?...I have made my valid, whether others think so, or not, points...Blessings...Good fortune, on the furtherance of the thread... If you do not suffer from the condition, but you still take the money for it, that would be unethical. It isn't the government's money. It is the people's money. You see among certain Reconstruction groups (and among most ethical people in general) that one's word and way of conducting themselves is of high importance. I don't think fraud and theft is something to be proud of.
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Post by Finn on May 22, 2007 18:49:51 GMT -5
I hope no offense was taken at my psychological points, I was speaking purely from a clinical psychology perspective (one that I for the majority of the points, disagree with.) I myself am more Jungian/Humanistic in my personal perspective on things. I don't take personal offense at a debate, or at least when I do, I keep it to myself. The nature of a good discussion is that it will face hard issues and our skin will have to be thick. I, for one, am not contending that it isn't real. It is a known mental condition and can be found in any medical dictionary. It is a type of insanity, of the delusion variety. I'm not certain where you got the notion that I was saying lycanthropy wasn't real. I'm just calling it what it is, a mental defect. Adults? I can believe in my mind that I am the King of England. It can be as real to me as my insanity allows. That doesn't make it real to anyone else. I don't forsee them giving me a crown. And this delusion isn't going to help me get along in life either. Willworkers do have power and the ability to make things manifest in reality. They do not do it merely by wishing. Of course, I'm not familiar with the craft you have been taught. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Again, there seems to be some misunderstanding of my earlier comments. I do think someone suffering from Lycanthropy should be getting help. I think they should be in a nice, safe place, both for them and for us. Please allow me to elaborate. To get disability your condition must be preventing or impeding your ability to earn a living. That means someone with Lycanthropy who is getting disability is so deluded that they are unable to hold a job. That sounds like a pretty serious level of delusion to me. Now, if someone is taking that money who doesn't deserve it, they should be prosecuted. I believe that is true of anyone who is taking disability for whatever reason. Fraud is fraud. Blackwolf has already stated that he isn't sick but he takes the money. So I guess he falls under the grouping you list as being far worse? You are mixing apples and oranges again. Transgendered people do not fantasize about tearing out throats, drinking blood, or believe they have magic powers. Sexual identity is one thing, belief that you are an immortal who must drink the blood of the living is another. Also, the Transgendered wish they could be something else, but understand that fate had dealt them a cruel card. There is a line between fantasy and reality. The world that exists soley in someone's head is their own business, but when they step foot out into the world with the rest of us, they need to be able to tell the two apart. I never stated that I think all Otherkin are demented or that they need to be locked up. I said that it is unfortunate that the subculture the Otherkin have created in their game has created a camouflage wherein the dangerous ones are harder to spot.
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Post by blackwolf on May 22, 2007 19:28:28 GMT -5
Since I am now being accused of fraud...Eveyone see what I mean, by living in a modern day horror fantasy...? Not mine, feels like a freddy dream/horror tale...Last time, then please let me go to other threads, peacefully...This is so off the thread, and I would rather not post it, but here goes...(and please do not delete this, unless the above, is deleted...I don't know what to do here...) Again, there seems to be a misunderstanding, of my earlier comment...I was asked about past/ current condition... I no longer fit the standards of Lycanthropia, yet I do/am able to practice Skinwalking/Shapeshifting...Yet, by other definitions, of Westernized, left brained clinical standards, I qualify, for disability...basically, because, I do not choose to believe in a society some seem to enjoy struggling in...As I stated above...Don't care about...( SEE above )...Besides, all my relatives, who pay taxes, have said they would prefer their taxes paying for me...to do what I need to do, for me...So it is not fraud...It is non participation, in a reality, I consider crazy...that is why, I choose to leave this thread, in a truly positive way...I gave it my best...move the thread on...
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Post by stormcat on May 22, 2007 21:49:06 GMT -5
There's a saying I heard once, "My reality is not your reality." We release "cured" people from the State Hosp, all the time. They're fine as long as they are medicated, once they get released most stop the medicine. They go back to their psychotic behaviors, once again are admitted for crisis intervention. They continue this behavior until the end of their lives. You can blame this on the governments funding slashes. Some people are truly ill, medication dulls the symptoms, doesn't cure the illness. Mental Illness should not be stigmatized, the ill should not be told "It's all in your head!" In sofar as a neighbor being 'Different", and ignoring this behavior, how often does a person kill numerous people? IMHO those people who seem like everybody else are more likely to kill people. They learn to blend in and not be noticed, that's why they're successful. I see no harm in letting people live a rich fantasy life, it's usually needed due to some type of trauma. Of course these are only my opinionsl.>^-.-^<
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Finn
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Post by Finn on May 22, 2007 22:05:55 GMT -5
There's a saying I heard once, "My reality is not your reality." We release "cured" people from the State Hosp, all the time. They're fine as long as they are medicated, once they get released most stop the medicine. They go back to their psychotic behaviors, once again are admitted for crisis intervention. They continue this behavior until the end of their lives. You can blame this on the governments funding slashes. Some people are truly ill, medication dulls the symptoms, doesn't cure the illness. Mental Illness should not be stigmatized, the ill should not be told "It's all in your head!" In sofar as a neighbor being 'Different", and ignoring this behavior, how often does a person kill numerous people? IMHO those people who seem like everybody else are more likely to kill people. They learn to blend in and not be noticed, that's why they're successful. I see no harm in letting people live a rich fantasy life, it's usually needed due to some type of trauma. Of course these are only my opinionsl.>^-.-^< I don't think they are bad opinions. I'm all for people having a rich fantasy life. I have one myself. I just get worried when people don't know it is a fantasy life. I'm hardly advocating locking up everyone who goes around in their day to day life wearing a Star Trek uniform and insisting people call her Commander (this is a real person by the way). However, I'll be honest, if I run into a person who insists they are really a wolf, or that they have no control of themselves in times of anger, or talk about simple animal solutions to complex human interactions, I think they bear watching. The sad truth is most people that snap gave plenty of warning signs to people beforehand. Their delusions (of whatever nature) are generally voiced, acted out, and visible to the people around them. The horrible shootings on a campus recently were entirely preventable. We will never stop all crimes. I agree with Wolf on that. Bad things are going to happen. That, however, doesn't mean we shouldn't be alert to deal with the horrors we can prevent. Most of us can tell in a few minutes whether we are comfortable around someone who is simply living a rich fantasy life and an utter whacko.
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Post by stormcat on May 22, 2007 22:17:44 GMT -5
Here's an interesting fact, you can be "locked up" for saying you want to kill yourself or someone else. The recent college shooting were a tragedy, as were all the previous ones. I've had dealings with the Mentally ill for years. I've never come across anyone who thinks they become a wolf. I've had visions after a Spiral dance, my black cat swelled into a Panther. I believed this to be a real vision. Am I mental, maybe. But I've found to my dismay we cannot save the world, or people from themselves. Apparently the government believes he believes he can become a Wolf. Are you willing to second guess SSI?>^oo^<
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Post by Finn on May 22, 2007 22:31:13 GMT -5
Here's an interesting fact, you can be "locked up" for saying you want to kill yourself or someone else. The recent college shooting were a tragedy, as were all the previous ones. I've had dealings with the Mentally ill for years. I've never come across anyone who thinks they become a wolf. I've had visions after a Spiral dance, my black cat swelled into a Panther. I believed this to be a real vision. Am I mental, maybe. But I've found to my dismay we cannot save the world, or people from themselves. Apparently the government believes he believes he can become a Wolf. Are you willing to second guess SSI?>^oo^< Agreed. I've never come across anyone who actually believes (or believed) they become a wolf until I came here either. I don't think you are mental at all. The visions, experiences, and so on that are brought on by specific rituals and practices are an entirely different ball of wax from someone just walking around day to day, chasing their own tail as it were. Let's just say I have a healthy level of pragmatism.
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Aislin
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Post by Aislin on May 22, 2007 22:32:26 GMT -5
Methinks psychology is starting to make me go crazy. . . I take a break from my research paper and here I am thinking of psychology again haha. You can be locked up for a host of reasons, pretty much if you look hard enough everyone has some sort of mental problem. I'm not too much bothered by it, it makes the world more interesting I think.
I'll have to agree with Finn that most of us have the ability to know if someone's fantasy is "interesting" or "harmful" , now if you go out and say, maul a five year old and then say well it was because of lycanthropia, then well I'd say we have a problem there. The problem is that insanity IS a defense in this country. I believe you can have a potentially "harmful" mental condition and still be "decent" and a good person. People with certain mental disabilities have a high correlation with felonious crimes. Does that mean all people with mental disabilities are felons? No.
I guess it boils down to a case by case basis. Sometimes you have to just trust your gut feelings on if a person is 'safe' or not.
Interesting psychology trivia for you all: When trying for the "insanity plea" you are given a personality inventory called the MPI (i forget what edition it is in now. . ) and its about 500 questions long. If a person is truely insane, they will answer in a particular way. But, the test is designed to have "red flags" for fakers too. One particular question is "I am a messenger from God" (you check yes or no on all questions) and a person who is truly insane, will not check yes. If someone checks yes, it is a red flag that they are faking the insanity plea.
I thought it was interesting heh if one thing I garner from my degree its how to beat the system *shakes a triumphant fist*
anyhoo back to meh research I go.
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Post by stormcat on May 22, 2007 22:39:32 GMT -5
I may have taken that test. I spent 2 hours with a shrink answering a huge amount of questions. He asked me one question I couldn't get my mind around. It ticked him off, I don't remember what it was, but it seemed strange. Finally frustrated I told him to leave me alone. I needless to say didn't go back to see him. The mind is a many chambered hall. >^..^<
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Post by Aislin on May 22, 2007 22:43:22 GMT -5
I may have taken that test. I spent 2 hours with a shrink answering a huge amount of questions. He asked me one question I couldn't get my mind around. It ticked him off, I don't remember what it was, but it seemed strange. Finally frustrated I told him to leave me alone. I needless to say didn't go back to see him. The mind is a many chambered hall. >^..^< Sounds like the MPI some of the questions are quite wonky. He must not have been a good psychologist then, one of the key things in interviewing people is to never get upset if they cant answer. *shrugs* its another reason I couldn't be a clinical psychologist, I'm too Jungian in my thinking. Not only is the mind a many chambered hall, it has some nice art work hanging in the alcoves, and some pretty stained glass windows, all that change at the blink of an eye.
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Post by Aislin on May 22, 2007 22:45:44 GMT -5
oh and I promise everyone I haven't tied Paul up and shoved him in a closet haha he's been at work all day and I've commandeered the computer to type my papers.
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Post by stormcat on May 22, 2007 22:50:37 GMT -5
This clown was an MD. I needed some antidepressants and had to go see Dr. CooCoo Birdl. lol He had a whole bar set up by the bathroom, that didn't install confidence in me. Well this has been real, I'm late for work, again...>^..^<
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Post by Aislin on May 22, 2007 22:54:14 GMT -5
This clown was an MD. I needed some antidepressants and had to go see Dr. CooCoo Birdl. lol He had a whole bar set up by the bathroom, that didn't install confidence in me. Well this has been real, I'm late for work, again...>^..^< Eugh thats the problem MD's diagnosing mental disorders. . . . they have about a 6 month stint in the psych residency, vs. the umpteen years a clinical psychologist has. Yet money talks and insurance sells out to the lowest bidder. Work the night shift? Ugh I feel for you I used to do that. Or you're working early on the other side of the world heh either way working early or late is never fun. have a great day/night! (i'm late for work all the time too lol I got a CA the other day. Whoops.)
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Post by Lady Anastasia on May 22, 2007 23:56:14 GMT -5
oh and I promise everyone I haven't tied Paul up and shoved him in a closet haha he's been at work all day and I've commandeered the computer to type my papers. lol... then I suggest you do so.... Immediately!
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Post by theoccultchrist on May 23, 2007 0:09:26 GMT -5
oh and I promise everyone I haven't tied Paul up and shoved him in a closet haha he's been at work all day and I've commandeered the computer to type my papers. lol... then I suggest you do so.... Immediately! No..Cause she may enjoy the silence too much. I see shes already addicted to here..making 15+ posts instead of writing her papers that she put off til the last minute. While Im off slaving away at work.
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