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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 30, 2007 17:24:50 GMT -5
It shouldn't be forced onto anyone... But, offered as an elective course, it wouldnt' hurt anyone... The students would be there because they chose to take the class I just don't see as how it has any place what-so-ever, once you open that door in a public setting you pave the way for fundies both Christian and Pagan telling each other the other is wrong, going to hell, stupid or what ever the going insult is these days... I remember when I was 17, these Girl Marcy Woolridge had the biggest crush on me. I was already a hopeless Pagan by then but I kept it quiet...She was always trying to get me to come to church with her (as a first date ugh) and I'd tell her I couldn't cause Sunday was my fishing day (and it was lol). I just felt it would be like lying to her. Well one day it got out, cause this other girl just thought is was soooooo cool.......Marcy damn near shit me a golden brick, wouldn't even LOOK at me anymore, said she could just see the evil in my eyes...Her brother even tried to beat me up for being a devil worshipper and casting spells on his sister lol...That's why those kinds of topics should be kept out of public schools...You just invite the BS. I think that it should be combined with other things, world religions... But, as an elective, it does no harm, and, actually helps foster a greater understanding of other beliefs and cultures..... Would solve some social problems
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Post by tahlia on Mar 30, 2007 19:03:45 GMT -5
It shouldn't be forced onto anyone... But, offered as an elective course, it wouldnt' hurt anyone... The students would be there because they chose to take the class I just don't see as how it has any place what-so-ever, once you open that door in a public setting you pave the way for fundies both Christian and Pagan telling each other the other is wrong, going to hell, stupid or what ever the going insult is these days... I remember when I was 17, these Girl Marcy Woolridge had the biggest crush on me. I was already a hopeless Pagan by then but I kept it quiet...She was always trying to get me to come to church with her (as a first date ugh) and I'd tell her I couldn't cause Sunday was my fishing day (and it was lol). I just felt it would be like lying to her. Well one day it got out, cause this other girl just thought is was soooooo cool.......Marcy damn near shit me a golden brick, wouldn't even LOOK at me anymore, said she could just see the evil in my eyes...Her brother even tried to beat me up for being a devil worshipper and casting spells on his sister lol...That's why those kinds of topics should be kept out of public schools...You just invite the BS. Wow. That never would have happened in the area I grew up in. And that is an example of your personal religions clashing in a social setting rather than what we are talking about here. We're not talking about everyone announcing their religion. We're talking about a religion being studied by kids who are on the verge of adulthood. I really see nothing wrong with the idea. There may be various problems that arise from it especially in it's infancy but that doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile venture.
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 31, 2007 1:31:01 GMT -5
OK, I can understand what you guys are saying, but I can't get past the idea of "why"? Now...If you could keep those people who would simply make trouble (these usually being the Atheists, Christian fundamentalists, Pagan fundamentalists etc.) weeded out from those who actually mean to make a serious study, then I'd say by all means. How are you ever going to do that though? You're always going to have those people who are just waiting to find out another student just so they'll have something to damn...People are funny that way, the second a group finds someone who thinks differently or outside the box, its an open challenge to see how dumb you can make them look. It is bad enough with adults who discuss their religions, much less high school kids. I think such courses of studies should be kept in a college.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 31, 2007 2:28:41 GMT -5
I think such courses of studies should be kept in a college. That's a disservice to people who don't get a chance to go to college...
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 31, 2007 3:38:06 GMT -5
I think such courses of studies should be kept in a college. That's a disservice to people who don't get a chance to go to college... Well yes, I can agree with that too, but even there you invite trouble...I could see giving the class, and in some parts of the country might be perfectly OK, in others parent would be suing schools for teaching Satanism, or for discrimination for not looking at their particular culture or belief...You couldn't do that in College.
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Post by Ogden on Mar 31, 2007 4:15:19 GMT -5
Ok, I think that America's schools need to worry about kids getting a bloody f-ing EDUCATION before they start worrying about f-ing religion. This country is so f-ing far behind when it comes to education, it's a wonder we aren't taken over.
I think they need to set hard and fast standards across the country. And this No Child Left Behind shit is just that- shit. The schools are just trying to push the kids along, regardless of whether or not they actually get any education out of it. It's bloody f-ing ridiculous.
I think once they get that figured out, then they can bitch about religion in the schools. Until then, it doesn't belong at all.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 31, 2007 4:21:26 GMT -5
Ok, I think that America's schools need to worry about kids getting a bloody f-ing EDUCATION before they start worrying about f-ing religion. This country is so f-ing far behind when it comes to education, it's a wonder we aren't taken over. I think they need to set hard and fast standards across the country. And this No Child Left Behind shit is just that- shit. The schools are just trying to push the kids along, regardless of whether or not they actually get any education out of it. It's bloody f-ing ridiculous. I think once they get that figured out, then they can bitch about religion in the schools. Until then, it doesn't belong at all. I'm going to say it once... Chill the fuck out... there is no reason at all to get that emotionally involved with a response... I think that you should take a moment to step back....
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 31, 2007 4:21:31 GMT -5
Ok, I think that America's schools need to worry about kids getting a bloody f-ing EDUCATION before they start worrying about f-ing religion. This country is so f-ing far behind when it comes to education, it's a wonder we aren't taken over. I think they need to set hard and fast standards across the country. And this No Child Left Behind shit is just that- shit. The schools are just trying to push the kids along, regardless of whether or not they actually get any education out of it. It's bloody f-ing ridiculous. I think once they get that figured out, then they can bitch about religion in the schools. Until then, it doesn't belong at all. I for one didn't mean kids couldn't handle it, or were to uneducated to handle the class...My issue is simply with tolerance.
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 31, 2007 4:22:58 GMT -5
And yeah, chill out some lol c'mon...
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 31, 2007 4:30:06 GMT -5
Ok, I think that America's schools need to worry about kids getting a bloody f-ing EDUCATION before they start worrying about f-ing religion. This country is so f-ing far behind when it comes to education, it's a wonder we aren't taken over. I think they need to set hard and fast standards across the country. And this No Child Left Behind shit is just that- shit. The schools are just trying to push the kids along, regardless of whether or not they actually get any education out of it. It's bloody f-ing ridiculous. I think once they get that figured out, then they can bitch about religion in the schools. Until then, it doesn't belong at all. I for one didn't mean kids couldn't handle it, or were to uneducated to handle the class...My issue is simply with tolerance. and, you are opposed to having something that may in fact build tolerance by letting others learn about things... I think that the more education on the matter, the easier it will be for people to become tolerant of other's beliefs...
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Post by Ogden on Mar 31, 2007 4:46:48 GMT -5
Ok, I think that America's schools need to worry about kids getting a bloody f-ing EDUCATION before they start worrying about f-ing religion. This country is so f-ing far behind when it comes to education, it's a wonder we aren't taken over. I think they need to set hard and fast standards across the country. And this No Child Left Behind shit is just that- shit. The schools are just trying to push the kids along, regardless of whether or not they actually get any education out of it. It's bloody f-ing ridiculous. I think once they get that figured out, then they can bitch about religion in the schools. Until then, it doesn't belong at all. I'm going to say it once... Chill the fuck out... there is no reason at all to get that emotionally involved with a response... I think that you should take a moment to step back.... Sorry. I just feel very strongly about how the American education system SUCKS. I take great pride in education and think it totally appalling that this country (generally speaking) doesn't give a rat's ass about real education, or even pride or honour. Maybe it's just me because I live in an area where people are actually proud of being ignorant and it just disgusts me to no end. It wasn't directed at anyone here, I just can't bloody stand how America is so concerend with religion yet they're so uneducated.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 31, 2007 14:02:32 GMT -5
I'm going to say it once... Chill the fuck out... there is no reason at all to get that emotionally involved with a response... I think that you should take a moment to step back.... Sorry. I just feel very strongly about how the American education system SUCKS. I take great pride in education and think it totally appalling that this country (generally speaking) doesn't give a rat's ass about real education, or even pride or honour. Maybe it's just me because I live in an area where people are actually proud of being ignorant and it just disgusts me to no end. It wasn't directed at anyone here, I just can't bloody stand how America is so concerend with religion yet they're so uneducated. Barret, Thank you, I appreciate that you were able to step back and speak calmly.. I agree that there are faults with the education system...But, that's something that needs to be worked on, at the earliest levels... I believe that this discussion is mainly directed at the upper High School ages... I do think that it could be a beneficial idea...
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 31, 2007 17:06:07 GMT -5
I'm going to say it once... Chill the fuck out... there is no reason at all to get that emotionally involved with a response... I think that you should take a moment to step back.... Sorry. I just feel very strongly about how the American education system SUCKS. I take great pride in education and think it totally appalling that this country (generally speaking) doesn't give a rat's ass about real education, or even pride or honour. Maybe it's just me because I live in an area where people are actually proud of being ignorant and it just disgusts me to no end. It wasn't directed at anyone here, I just can't bloody stand how America is so concerend with religion yet they're so uneducated. While I agree, education is indeed important, there are as many kinds of education as there are knowledge IMO.
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Post by tanath on Apr 1, 2007 14:43:03 GMT -5
i think that teaching alternative religions in high school is a good idea. the few religions that are covered today in school are very biased and the teaching perspective is decidedly christian-slanted. i know that's inevitable when the teacher is christian, but there needs to a better variety. right now schools only really cover christianty, judeism, buddhism, and islam. that is no where NEAR how many religions there really are.
i'm not saying that pagan religions should take over the class. that's not fair either. they just needs to acknowledge that paganism DOES exist and give it equal billing.
it's the simple fact that paganism isn't taught at all that causes the discrimination and hate. people fear what they don't understand and hate what they fear.
it also needs to be taught on a high school level. not everyone goes to college, so not everyone has the opportunity to take college courses. also, colleges are really regulated by the government. they can teach what courses they feel are needed and no more. plus, specialty schools, like law or medical schools, don't always make students take classes outside their field. private schools can offer whatever courses they want and put whatever slant on the teachings they feel like as long as it's not openly discriminating against anyone. that's not a good environment to trust that alternative religions will be taught at all, let alone in a positive light.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Apr 1, 2007 16:18:01 GMT -5
i think that teaching alternative religions in high school is a good idea. the few religions that are covered today in school are very biased and the teaching perspective is decidedly christian-slanted. i know that's inevitable when the teacher is christian, but there needs to a better variety. right now schools only really cover christianty, judeism, buddhism, and islam. that is no where NEAR how many religions there really are. i'm not saying that pagan religions should take over the class. that's not fair either. they just needs to acknowledge that paganism DOES exist and give it equal billing. it's the simple fact that paganism isn't taught at all that causes the discrimination and hate. people fear what they don't understand and hate what they fear. it also needs to be taught on a high school level. not everyone goes to college, so not everyone has the opportunity to take college courses. also, colleges are really regulated by the government. they can teach what courses they feel are needed and no more. plus, specialty schools, like law or medical schools, don't always make students take classes outside their field. private schools can offer whatever courses they want and put whatever slant on the teachings they feel like as long as it's not openly discriminating against anyone. that's not a good environment to trust that alternative religions will be taught at all, let alone in a positive light. I don't think that pagan religions would get equal billing, but, I think that this would be a start... Hit the Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc... Once you open the mind and other ideas and philosophies can be seen, you will start to have more tolerance...
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