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Post by KittyLane on Feb 19, 2007 3:57:29 GMT -5
See this is why im not wiccan. That damn threefold law makes people fiesty lol and that is exactly what makes it fun!
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Post by rowanashmore on Feb 19, 2007 4:02:46 GMT -5
My idea of fun is a pleasant debate kitty. Not that you two arent being SO VERY PLEASANT to one another it just leads one to feel like they are covered in splenda and I dont like sugar substitute
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 4:04:56 GMT -5
My idea of fun is a pleasant debate kitty. Not that you two arent being SO VERY PLEASANT to one another it just leads one to feel like they are covered in splenda and I dont like sugar substitute lmao... I love you
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Post by KittyLane on Feb 19, 2007 4:07:35 GMT -5
I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin. Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly? having studied this(wicca/witchcraft) there are several "schools" of thought. Because there are several different branches of wicca. So really its all basicly the same(for wiccans who believe that) but different versions. We are not trying to all be right, but be right in the closest version of the discussion. Bouncing around the facts does not make anyone right. This is a learning community, so we try to be as accurate as possible. When something that is not supported that is put apon these boards it is the Admins and the moderators duty to have the truth available. I am proud of the work done on this thread, and of course all others we have done.
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Post by KittyLane on Feb 19, 2007 4:08:36 GMT -5
My idea of fun is a pleasant debate kitty. Not that you two arent being SO VERY PLEASANT to one another it just leads one to feel like they are covered in splenda and I dont like sugar substitute hey i love splenda...but you know what it costs so much more than sugar, and that sucks.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 4:10:28 GMT -5
Serious study huh? I'm not trying to be rude here but it does seems if all you have is serious study (and of course pudding) here and no room for actual thought or maybe actual practice then I will simply refrain from posting. I will read the serious study materials and look elsewhere for anything with original thought. Obviously you gave no thought to what I posted because it's not any more rediculous than the idea that what you put out somehow grows to exactly 3 times what it was and comes back to you. It's not my beliefs anyway, but it is someones belief and it seems odd that you of all people John would poke fun at anyones beliefs. Well back to my reading now. Y'all have fun k? Obviously, you came in, guns blazing, ready to educate us about the "Proper Wiccan" Beliefs and were in fact unable to give any sources to back up your claims... Now, You whine like a child that didn't get their way.. Why go back to lurking.. Why not just leave the site? As for calling someone's character into this little discussion... Don't even try to pull that... You of all people, who choose to flame any one and everyone have no business at all doing that... Take your righteous indignation, and, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out....
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Post by rowanashmore on Feb 19, 2007 4:23:28 GMT -5
My point being that in a thread about energy put out and energy recieved then shouldnt we at least make a attempt to be civil we are actually being snippy in a thread that is suppose to show about the the dangers of negativity. I personally dont buy into the whole three fold law but I do respect those that do believe it. I also value personal information in addition to sited resources.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 4:27:20 GMT -5
My point being that in a thread about energy put out and energy recieved then shouldnt we at least make a attempt to be civil we are actually being snippy in a thread that is suppose to show about the the dangers of negativity. I personally dont buy into the whole three fold law but I do respect those that do believe it. I also value personal information in addition to sited resources. Point taken... Though if you see one of my previous responses, I don't believe in the Karmic repercussions, or the Rule of Three...
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Post by rowanashmore on Feb 19, 2007 4:29:53 GMT -5
I dont either just a thought I also expect this next post to be deleted but I would remind you guys you are mods and admin. This cant be good for the group moral at all just a thought. But in this instance I fear it will come back to bite you all in the end and wouldnt that give people what you fear they want.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 4:49:28 GMT -5
A serious study, which is what we do here requires sources. I don't think anyone has asked you to look into "the first thing that pops up on google" they have more over asked you, or the person in question to cite their source. Wiccan Karma as I have come to understand it encompasses the Buddhist belief that everything we do will be revisited. Now, if one acts on a physical plain, then yes, the revisited energy returns on that plain, spiritual, the it returns on the spiritual so on and so fourth. For a source you can look at some of the posts here on this thread, and on various other boards here. The problem is that isn't what you or your friend is saying. You are saying it is an entirely different school of thought which says if I cast a naughty spell I might get hit by a bus, and I'd like to know what comic book that was pulled from? Serious study huh? I'm not trying to be rude here but it does seems if all you have is serious study (and of course pudding) here and no room for actual thought or maybe actual practice then I will simply refrain from posting. I will read the serious study materials and look elsewhere for anything with original thought. Obviously you gave no thought to what I posted because it's not any more rediculous than the idea that what you put out somehow grows to exactly 3 times what it was and comes back to you. It's not my beliefs anyway, but it is someones belief and it seems odd that you of all people John would poke fun at anyones beliefs. Well back to my reading now. Y'all have fun k? Hmm, firstly can you highlight exactly where I said anything about what your putting out growing exactly three times? I don't recall saying that. Secondly I am not "poking fun" at anyone's beliefs. You were asked to cite a source for a claim that the OP was in error. You have refused to do that, and now have a problem with being asked. I have no problem what-so-ever with anyone's beliefs on this thread. However if you make a claim that challenges another post you need to be prepared to back it up...As your opposition has. You will find thought all over these boards. However you will one day perhaps learn the difference between thought, here-say, and unproven claims.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 4:53:57 GMT -5
My point being that in a thread about energy put out and energy recieved then shouldnt we at least make a attempt to be civil we are actually being snippy in a thread that is suppose to show about the the dangers of negativity. I personally dont buy into the whole three fold law but I do respect those that do believe it. I also value personal information in addition to sited resources. Point taken... Though if you see one of my previous responses, I don't believe in the Karmic repercussions, or the Rule of Three... Neither do I anymore, though there was a time...Then I learned my beliefs were eclectic and that was something that didn't apeal to me personaly.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 4:55:00 GMT -5
See this is why im not wiccan. That damn threefold law makes people fiesty lol and that is exactly what makes it fun! ROTF! ^^ Think its time for that one to get some sleep.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 4:58:14 GMT -5
My point being that in a thread about energy put out and energy recieved then shouldnt we at least make a attempt to be civil we are actually being snippy in a thread that is suppose to show about the the dangers of negativity. I personally dont buy into the whole three fold law but I do respect those that do believe it. I also value personal information in addition to sited resources. Again, there was nothing said about a lack of respect, if it is personal experience that is fine. However don't claim it to be something it's not as in documented knowledge. One or two peoples word who know each other can obviously be in error when all other sources differ. I think that was what Lala was saying when she asked for sources.
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Post by rowanashmore on Feb 19, 2007 4:59:54 GMT -5
I will say this for the rule of three. If you do something horrible to a person you may not break your leg but a part of you dies. You do become what you put out. You slowly start to change and it eats at you and it consumes you. This is something I know for a fact because I feel it in me. I am not a nice person and my body tells me so every day. So there is somethign to say for energies put out is energy influenced. Remember that the next time you feel yourself so quick to anger or the next time you feel that wave of hate coming on. You are doing this to yourself
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 5:10:26 GMT -5
I will say this for the rule of three. If you do something horrible to a person you may not break your leg but a part of you dies. You do become what you put out. You slowly start to change and it eats at you and it consumes you. This is something I know for a fact because I feel it in me. I am not a nice person and my body tells me so every day. So there is somethign to say for energies put out is energy influenced. Remember that the next time you feel yourself so quick to anger or the next time you feel that wave of hate coming on. You are doing this to yourself Is this Karma in your view? I'm not sure where your going with this but to my mind conscious is much different than Karma.
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