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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 2, 2006 19:39:26 GMT -5
I am curious....There's the green witch which was what I thought I'd be but I am really 100% Celtic.....Can someone discuss?
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 3, 2006 3:27:31 GMT -5
I am curious....There's the green witch which was what I thought I'd be but I am really 100% Celtic.....Can someone discuss? We certainly can and will discuss it. However I'm on my lunch break, and can't now...When I'm off I will address this, if I'm not beaten to it.
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 3, 2006 9:05:08 GMT -5
I am curious....There's the green witch which was what I thought I'd be but I am really 100% Celtic.....Can someone discuss? There are actually many differences between Wiccan and Celtic spiritualities, and practices. For one of many (Which will likely come to make this a great and very educational thread for all involved btw) is Wicca's views on the Gods. Wicca sees ALL aspects of all gods and goddesses as a part of the divine duality which exists through out nature in some aspect or another, where as the Celts recognized the Gods as many and varied. Each god and goddess an individual with their own unique goals, personalities, genealogies, as well as their own strong points to add to the greater good of what ever part of the pantheon they came from. The Celts recognized three very separate, very distinct groups of "gods" (which btw. is a pretty strong word when one looks at gods with our modern idealisms). These would come down to the Tuatha de Danann, the Fomorii, and the Fir Bolg, as the Celtic cosmos is based on threes an multiples of three. I'll let some other people take a crack at this as well before we continue the discussion.
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Post by Marcus on Jun 3, 2006 17:09:32 GMT -5
Its a very hard question to answer but imo Celtic and wicca are separate. Wicca blends alot of celtic spiritualities and dieties whereas there is another group of celtic pagans who wish to stick strictly with celtic and not blend with other traditions. www.clannada.org/wicca.phpAt the above link is a very interesting essay which you may find interesting!
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 4, 2006 22:35:48 GMT -5
I read in a book by Ann Moura (The Green Witch)....It was describe that Celtic is more along those lines. & there are some small distinct differences in the belief of the North, South, East, West (in relation to spell casting etc...not many just a few). What is your opinion?
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 5, 2006 12:45:54 GMT -5
Also, what's the difference between Celtic & Druids?
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 6, 2006 15:35:23 GMT -5
I read in a book by Ann Moura (The Green Witch)....It was describe that Celtic is more along those lines. & there are some small distinct differences in the belief of the North, South, East, West (in relation to spell casting etc...not many just a few). What is your opinion? I'm not sure I completely understand what your asking. Beliefs at times varied from clan to clan actually, each having their own gods and goddesses etc...Is this what you mean?
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 6, 2006 15:38:53 GMT -5
Also, what's the difference between Celtic & Druids? The Druids were the priestly order who worked for the Celtic Kings most usually. Druids were Judges, shamans, Lawyers, soothsayers, as well as walking libraries etc. However the Druid was a *learned* Celt.
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 8, 2006 11:42:45 GMT -5
ok, gotcha...I'm trying to see what affinity I have. I know it's Celtic but from there, I'm not sure... Also, what's the difference between Celtic & Druids? The Druids were the priestly order who worked for the Celtic Kings most usually. Druids were Judges, shamans, Lawyers, soothsayers, as well as walking libraries etc. However the Druid was a *learned* Celt.
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 8, 2006 11:56:43 GMT -5
ok, gotcha...I'm trying to see what affinity I have. I know it's Celtic but from there, I'm not sure... The Druids were the priestly order who worked for the Celtic Kings most usually. Druids were Judges, shamans, Lawyers, soothsayers, as well as walking libraries etc. However the Druid was a *learned* Celt. There are debates among some Druids these days to the effect of "Is Druidy a religion or a philosophy"? Is Druidry a strictly Celtic practice, or does it become compatible with any religion or culture?...I say it certainly seemed compatible with several different Celtic and perhaps pre-Celtic views and practices. I guess it just depends on the Druids personal philosophies on the subject.
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 11, 2006 20:45:21 GMT -5
I am curious....There's the green witch which was what I thought I'd be but I am really 100% Celtic.....Can someone discuss? There are actually many differences between Wiccan and Celtic spiritualities, and practices. For one of many (Which will likely come to make this a great and very educational thread for all involved btw) is Wicca's views on the Gods. Wicca sees ALL aspects of all gods and goddesses as a part of the divine duality which exists through out nature in some aspect or another, where as the Celts recognized the Gods as many and varied. Each god and goddess an individual with their own unique goals, personalities, genealogies, as well as their own strong points to add to the greater good of what ever part of the pantheon they came from. The Celts recognized three very separate, very distinct groups of "gods" (which btw. is a pretty strong word when one looks at gods with our modern idealisms). These would come down to the Tuatha de Danann, the Fomorii, and the Fir Bolg, as the Celtic cosmos is based on threes an multiples of three. I'll let some other people take a crack at this as well before we continue the discussion. Ok, so I am getting a little grip on this. I've read a little bit about the Tuatha de Danann, the Fomorii, and the Fir Bolg, but I am still not sure what I am reading. Should I be looking at one of these groups or should I keep reading Wiccan books to help me along with the study?
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 11, 2006 20:48:57 GMT -5
ok, gotcha...I'm trying to see what affinity I have. I know it's Celtic but from there, I'm not sure... There are debates among some Druids these days to the effect of "Is Druidy a religion or a philosophy"? Is Druidry a strictly Celtic practice, or does it become compatible with any religion or culture?...I say it certainly seemed compatible with several different Celtic and perhaps pre-Celtic views and practices. I guess it just depends on the Druids personal philosophies on the subject. The reason I ask, is that I would like to start going in a particular direction as I feel I hit a wall. I know that Wicca is something I understand but I wasn't fully sure it was right for me. As for Celtic, I've always had an affinity for the Celtic ways beliefs. I may not know them all but I can understand enough that I want to go down this path. The problem is which way...Or maybe druids. See, I'm not sure.....
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 11, 2006 21:36:54 GMT -5
There are actually many differences between Wiccan and Celtic spiritualities, and practices. For one of many (Which will likely come to make this a great and very educational thread for all involved btw) is Wicca's views on the Gods. Wicca sees ALL aspects of all gods and goddesses as a part of the divine duality which exists through out nature in some aspect or another, where as the Celts recognized the Gods as many and varied. Each god and goddess an individual with their own unique goals, personalities, genealogies, as well as their own strong points to add to the greater good of what ever part of the pantheon they came from. The Celts recognized three very separate, very distinct groups of "gods" (which btw. is a pretty strong word when one looks at gods with our modern idealisms). These would come down to the Tuatha de Danann, the Fomorii, and the Fir Bolg, as the Celtic cosmos is based on threes an multiples of three. I'll let some other people take a crack at this as well before we continue the discussion. Ok, so I am getting a little grip on this. I've read a little bit about the Tuatha de Danann, the Fomorii, and the Fir Bolg, but I am still not sure what I am reading. Should I be looking at one of these groups or should I keep reading Wiccan books to help me along with the study? In the study of Irish spirituality, it becomes important to look at all the different races, as they each represent a different aspect of creation.
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 11, 2006 21:38:32 GMT -5
There are debates among some Druids these days to the effect of "Is Druidy a religion or a philosophy"? Is Druidry a strictly Celtic practice, or does it become compatible with any religion or culture?...I say it certainly seemed compatible with several different Celtic and perhaps pre-Celtic views and practices. I guess it just depends on the Druids personal philosophies on the subject. The reason I ask, is that I would like to start going in a particular direction as I feel I hit a wall. I know that Wicca is something I understand but I wasn't fully sure it was right for me. As for Celtic, I've always had an affinity for the Celtic ways beliefs. I may not know them all but I can understand enough that I want to go down this path. The problem is which way...Or maybe druids. See, I'm not sure..... I wonder if you might look into Celtic Wicca, or Faery Wicca?
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 11, 2006 21:44:29 GMT -5
Thanks, I will look into it. I'm just not sure right now as I felt the pull towards Pagans in general but for a very long time, I've been a person that wants to really learn the Celtic traditions. I am Irish & Scottish. My grandmother spoke Gaelic (which I VERY much want to learn)....So, on....this is where I've been treading water so to speak...
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