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Post by Senbecc on Jun 12, 2006 8:58:46 GMT -5
Thanks, I will look into it. I'm just not sure right now as I felt the pull towards Pagans in general but for a very long time, I've been a person that wants to really learn the Celtic traditions. I am Irish & Scottish. My grandmother spoke Gaelic (which I VERY much want to learn)....So, on....this is where I've been treading water so to speak... I think if you google Irish Gaelic languge learning (and other such key words) you may come across some cassettes CD's and the like.
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 12, 2006 13:44:50 GMT -5
I have a few that I'm looking at but I am unsure which would be the best. Thank you
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Post by celticgh on Jun 12, 2006 14:36:53 GMT -5
The word tradition, comes from the Latin word traditio which means "to hand down" or "to hand over." It is used in a number of ways in the English language.
Heredity (the adjective is hereditary) is the transfer of characteristics from parent to offspring, either through their genes or through the social institution called inheritance (for example, a title of nobility is passed from individual to individual according to relevant customs and/or laws).
Celtic Tradition would in itself been a Hereditary Tradition. All Ancient Traditions would have been because it would have been the law to follow them. The problem is that only a handful of Pagan teachings survived the Inquisitions so the traditions you see posted on the internet and throughout books are ones that were started after Wicca hit the streets of America.(see below) Ever hear of the Six Degrees of Seperation' theory? Take any modern day book of Wiccan/Wicca/ Traditions/Pagan, etc and the theory is explained.
Wicca is a Neopagan religion or religious movement found in many different countries, though most commonly in English-speaking cultures. Wicca was first publicised in 1954 by a British civil servant named Gerald Gardner[1] after the British Witchcraft Act was repealed.
Celtic Wicca is a New tradition melding from druidry, wicca, even native american practices. IMO I feel you need to make a choice whether to follow a Wicca<insert any name you want> Tradition or just research Celtic information to form your own beliefs.
ref: Wikipedia (just because I was lazy and didn't want to rummage through books.) same information though.
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 12, 2006 15:57:12 GMT -5
The word tradition, comes from the Latin word traditio which means "to hand down" or "to hand over." It is used in a number of ways in the English language. Heredity (the adjective is hereditary) is the transfer of characteristics from parent to offspring, either through their genes or through the social institution called inheritance (for example, a title of nobility is passed from individual to individual according to relevant customs and/or laws). Celtic Tradition would in itself been a Hereditary Tradition. All Ancient Traditions would have been because it would have been the law to follow them. The problem is that only a handful of Pagan teachings survived the Inquisitions so the traditions you see posted on the internet and throughout books are ones that were started after Wicca hit the streets of America.(see below) Ever hear of the Six Degrees of Seperation' theory? Take any modern day book of Wiccan/Wicca/ Traditions/Pagan, etc and the theory is explained. Wicca is a Neopagan religion or religious movement found in many different countries, though most commonly in English-speaking cultures. Wicca was first publicised in 1954 by a British civil servant named Gerald Gardner[1] after the British Witchcraft Act was repealed. Celtic Wicca is a New tradition melding from druidry, wicca, even native american practices. IMO I feel you need to make a choice whether to follow a Wicca<insert any name you want> Tradition or just research Celtic information to form your own beliefs. ref: Wikipedia (just because I was lazy and didn't want to rummage through books.) same information though. So you feel Celtic spiritualities and Wicca are not compatible?
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 13, 2006 13:40:02 GMT -5
Celtic is my first priority...Wiccan, I'm not sure....I am trying to figure that out. That is why I ask, so I can make a choice & follow it. Celtic Tradition is something I've always wanted. It may have been lost in my mothers family. I don't know...
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Post by celticgh on Jun 13, 2006 14:04:15 GMT -5
I am aware that many nowaday mesh both to satifys their spiritual needs. In my opinion I suggested the young man to make a choice to study one or the other for now. Since he has stated he's inclined to walk the Celtic Path then why not pat him on the back and tell him 'Go for it". If it's chosen, Celtic Wicca will hopefully introduce him to the pantheons but his spirituality will be his own making.
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 13, 2006 14:36:46 GMT -5
Thank you...It has been suggested in a prior threadas well. I'm thinking this would be the lines. I'm still reading on this & using this site to further my studies & help me really move forward...
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 13, 2006 15:11:57 GMT -5
I am aware that many nowaday mesh both to satifys their spiritual needs. In my opinion I suggested the young man to make a choice to study one or the other for now. Since he has stated he's inclined to walk the Celtic Path then why not pat him on the back and tell him 'Go for it". If it's chosen, Celtic Wicca will hopefully introduce him to the pantheons but his spirituality will be his own making. Well, if he wants to follow a strictly Irish Celtic path then I would certainly support that decision absolutely! However I would argue that spirituality is always of our own making.
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 13, 2006 15:17:39 GMT -5
Thank you...It has been suggested in a prior threadas well. I'm thinking this would be the lines. I'm still reading on this & using this site to further my studies & help me really move forward... We are all more than happy to aid you in any way we can, though I would advise against allowing the thoughts of others sway your decision making (referring to the BTW debate you've found yourself in). You first priority since you have chosen the spiritualities of the Celtic peoples and cultures would be to immerse yourself in the texts...You can never go wrong reading those. I believe a fine site was given on the "list" thread.
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 13, 2006 15:32:30 GMT -5
Yes, it was & thank you. That myspace thing kind of bothered me because it makes it confusing & I think might misinform those who may have found the path. I am reading threads here as I can. I am looking at the links as well. Is there a suggested reading thread or did I overlook it?
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 13, 2006 16:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 13, 2006 19:06:02 GMT -5
Thank you...my girlfriend & I have a few books. I'm reading what I can right now. When I have the money, I will be getting those as well! Thank you!
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Post by Senbecc on Jun 14, 2006 6:38:04 GMT -5
Thank you...my girlfriend & I have a few books. I'm reading what I can right now. When I have the money, I will be getting those as well! Thank you! One book that comes highly recomended by many is Druid Animal Oracle. Philip and Stephanie Carr-Gomm, it also comes with some cards to aid in the study. Also Magic of celtic otherworlds by Steve Blamires
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Post by wren on Jun 20, 2006 13:29:08 GMT -5
I've found this thread interesting as my path took several similar turns to this point. I began stepping away from Christianity (ever try to explain the Bible to two very discerning and intelligent pre-adolescents?) before I knew where I was going and eventually found myself researching the Goddess. That, too, seemed unbalanced as I am a firm believer in the balance of all things. So, the search went on...
I then came to Wicca, being very drawn to the magick of herbs. However, I found that did not satisfy me, given its solely duo-theistic slant. Now, I am studying Druid lore (mostly Welsh, due to the proximity of a welsh druid grove) and have found what seems a better fit just now in druid study. I feel a pull toward the Ogham and other aspects of the druids' beliefs that fit well.
Then again, I have always been fascinated by Native American beliefs as well. I doubt the hunger to study and learn will ever cease pushing me and prodding me to learn more. I am less worried about defining myself at this point than learning all I can.
Perhaps one has to lose one's self completely to find one's self again...?
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Post by Der Trommler on Jun 20, 2006 16:06:24 GMT -5
This is also part of my path right now. I want to read quite a bit but I don't have money to buy books. The books recommended are definitely on my books wish list. The issue I have is Celtic/Wicca/Druidism all appeal to me. I'm not sure what really is my path & I'm trying to read as much as I can to help that path...I want to choose but I am having difficulty doing so. Celtic Wicca or Faerie Wicca or....see? The choices are similar but there is a path there for me. That is why I asked the question so to help me sort out which path is closer to what I believe. Senbecc has been amazing thus far as well as celticgh with her input has helped me more. lol I feel like Johnny Five in Short Circuit! More input! lol
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