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Post by tahlia on Mar 26, 2007 20:12:16 GMT -5
Ok so Celtic Christianity...a combination of pagan celtic beliefs and traditions mixed with christianity. Mix that with druidry and BAM! That's eclectic! So by your logic you can't do that either because druidry isn't some new age eclectic practice. I completely agree YAY!! I was afraid I was just being arguementative. lol |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 26, 2007 20:14:10 GMT -5
Ok so Celtic Christianity...a combination of pagan celtic beliefs and traditions mixed with christianity. Mix that with druidry and BAM! That's eclectic! So by your logic you can't do that either because druidry isn't some new age eclectic practice. I completely agree I suddently feel very bullied lol...OK I'm gonna get back to both of you but I gotta take care of a banner exchange issue first though...LoL  |
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 26, 2007 21:09:57 GMT -5
I suddently feel very bullied lol...OK I'm gonna get back to both of you but I gotta take care of a banner exchange issue first though...LoL well, I can just as easily stop sharing my opinion, I wasn't aware that I was bullying anyone... Going back to not sharing... |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 26, 2007 22:16:24 GMT -5
I suddently feel very bullied lol...OK I'm gonna get back to both of you but I gotta take care of a banner exchange issue first though...LoL well, I can just as easily stop sharing my opinion, I wasn't aware that I was bullying anyone... Going back to not sharing... You know I was kidding you butt.  |
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 26, 2007 22:30:01 GMT -5
You know I was kidding you butt. I will not accept that as a term in which to define lala... meanwhile, this is unnecessary random... We should stick to the topic... I believe that since Druidism has the elements of Shamanism and other indigenous practices... That it would blend quite nicely with other indigenous beliefs... Native American, Ainu, Aboriginal... Now, while I don't think that you could place the label of "Druidism" On that kind of Mixture, I feel that if you are going to make the allowance for Christianity, and call it druidism... Then, by that, you can blend it with something not christian.. That's all that lala is trying to say... Now, we can all be happy, if the Labels are dropped.. They are too rigid.. they are limiting... It should be about the Journey inward to learn and to grow, to find yourself.. Not about arguing over what anyone calls it... |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 26, 2007 22:48:10 GMT -5
I'm not saying combinations can't work for the individual, I'm just saying they're not Druidry. Druidry is not an eclectic path, it is Celtic. Celtic Christianity is Celtic, from centuries ago. It isn't a new age movement from the 80's which borrows it's tenents and tells me that all gods are personifications of the lord n lady, or that Druids celibrate sabbats. Wiccans for example aren't Druids, because they are eclectic...IMHO. Now, don't get me wrong...I am not claiming Druidism to be some super secret sect, or that only another Druid can make you a Druid lol, Anyone who is determined enough can become a Druid, I am simply saying that there are certain things a Druid is, and certain things that they are not. Ok so Celtic Christianity...a combination of pagan celtic beliefs and traditions mixed with christianity. Mix that with druidry and BAM! That's eclectic! So by your logic you can't do that either because druidry isn't some new age eclectic practice. If you're gonna say it's not eclectic then you can't go mixing it with several other things. Those celtic pagan practices are not druidry. Celtic christianity isn't a mixture of druidry and christianity. It's a mixture of the average everyday peoples practices mixed with christianity. That's kinda like saying that before the missionaries brought christianity to the native americans, that all native americans were shamans. It just doesn't work. Either it CAN be mixed with ANY religion, or CANNOT to maintain it's purity and integrity. I just see no possible way to have it both ways. Wow! Aren't I the opinionated one today? lol LoL,yes you are OK, I will admit that by my own set standards the idea is eclectic. I will concede that much. However it is set Celtic tradition, it is the only tradition that ties us to the pre-Christian Druids. The sacred Poets or Filidh are our ties to the pre-Christian poets. The Filidh studies the ways of the Bard and of the Druid. The "feats of the poets" studying the genealogies, the histories, the power of words, the Ogham, memory compression, etc. Priests remained the learned among the Celtic people, they remained the Brehon Judges, law makers, dispute settlers etc. These Christian pagans took over where the Druids and Bards had left off, then handed down these traditions to us (albeit in puns and riddles, histories and pseudo-histories) and it is through their practices and philosophies in which we reconstruct the Druid way. Even as a strict Pagan Druid I can concede that as well. Celtic Christianity is a form of Celtic spirituality in-and-of it's self, it is a part of the lineage which ties us to Irish/Celtic history. While Celtic Paganism certainly began as a simple practice of Celtic lower class and farmers etc. as time went on it began to encompass the qualities of the learned as well, and that would be where Christian Druidry comes into play. It was a practice of Celtic scholars just as it had been for Centuries before. Now while Celtic Christianity can and sometimes is scoffed at, it is what Celtic religion became, and so is debatable as to whether or not it is eclectic. |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 26, 2007 23:08:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying combinations can't work for the individual, I'm just saying they're not Druidry. Druidry is not an eclectic path, it is Celtic. Celtic Christianity is Celtic, from centuries ago. It isn't a new age movement from the 80's which borrows it's tenents and tells me that all gods are personifications of the lord n lady, or that Druids celibrate sabbats. Wiccans for example aren't Druids, because they are eclectic...IMHO. Now, don't get me wrong...I am not claiming Druidism to be some super secret sect, or that only another Druid can make you a Druid lol, Anyone who is determined enough can become a Druid, I am simply saying that there are certain things a Druid is, and certain things that they are not. *readies the AFD...... * I'm not suggesting that Druidry is an Eccletic Chinese Buffet... I'm only saying that I refuse to see that a combination of Christian beliefs and Druidry can meld and still be considered Druidic.... Yet, If I were to combine Druid and Buddhist beliefs and Druidry and not have it be considered Druidic... Look at the similar tenents, the beliefs, etc... They mirror one another... Some differences arise.. But, I see that they work or meld much easier than those of Druid and Christian... *Gets ready to duck*  Firstly, if you combine them where there are holes, discrepancies etc, a little piece here a little piece there, are you going to call yourself a Buddhist Druid? I have in the past done this with Hindu and Native American philosophy, however I only would keep such things until a new Celtic philosophy arose to replace the eclectic idea. I would let that go as soon as I could find a Celtic tradition to take its place, nothing wrong with that really until I start telling people it is historically tied to Irish tradition, Celtic Christianity is tied to it. It is the ways of Irish peoples. Hinduism, Buddhism, and native American spirituality is not. I'm not saying you can't meld your own philosophies, however the actual practice of a traditionalist and/or reconstructionist can't be based around other cultures or religions...IMO. |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 26, 2007 23:12:32 GMT -5
You know I was kidding you butt. I will not accept that as a term in which to define lala... meanwhile, this is unnecessary random... We should stick to the topic... I believe that since Druidism has the elements of Shamanism and other indigenous practices... That it would blend quite nicely with other indigenous beliefs... Native American, Ainu, Aboriginal... Now, while I don't think that you could place the label of "Druidism" On that kind of Mixture, I feel that if you are going to make the allowance for Christianity, and call it druidism... Then, by that, you can blend it with something not christian.. That's all that lala is trying to say... Now, we can all be happy, if the Labels are dropped.. They are too rigid.. they are limiting... It should be about the Journey inward to learn and to grow, to find yourself.. Not about arguing over what anyone calls it... But...lala I wanna argue Haha for the most part I agree that it *shouldn't* be mixed with anything...However due to the Celtic ties Irish Christianity has, I simply feel they are the only ones who can really make a case. |
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Mar 26, 2007 23:17:09 GMT -5
*Gets ready to duck* You are a Mule... No, I will call myself lala... I refuse to take a label because they are restricting... I follow my own path.... |
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Post by Senbecc on Mar 30, 2007 14:56:41 GMT -5
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