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Post by Der Trommler on Jan 20, 2007 11:14:22 GMT -5
Clans Definition of the word 'Clan' The Gaelic word for children is more accurately translated as 'family' in the sense in which the word clan became accepted in the Scottish Highlands during the 13th century. A clan is a social group whose core comprises a number of families derived from, or accepted as being derived from, a common ancestor. Almost without exception, that core is accompanied by a further number of dependent and associated families who have either sought the protection of the clan at some point in history or have been tenants or vassals of its chief. That chief is owed allegiance by all members of the clan, but ancient tradition nevertheless states that 'the Clan is above the Chief'. Although Gaelic has been supplanted by English in the Lowlands of Scotland for nearly a thousand years, it is an acceptable convention to refer to the great Lowland families, like the Douglases, as clans, although the heads of certain families, such as Bruce, prefer not to use the term. Allegiance was generally given to a father's clan, but Celtic tradition includes a strong element of descent through, and loyalty to, a mother's line. In reality, the chief of a clan would 'ingather' any stranger, of whatever family, who possessed suitable skills, maintained his allegiance and, if required, adopted the clan surname. Septs A Sept is a family name which can be related to a clan or larger family for various reasons: Either through marriage or by seeking protection from a larger and more powerful neighbouring clan or family. Many names which are recorded as septs have since become clans in their own right and many can be related to more than one clan. You know Wren. You Senbecc, & Marcus amaze me. You seem to be everywhere. Do you guys sleep anytime or what?
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Post by wren on Jan 21, 2007 20:50:28 GMT -5
The wren never sleeps and is everywhere! Never forget that! *wink*
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Post by Der Trommler on Jan 22, 2007 0:05:30 GMT -5
The wren never sleeps and is everywhere! Never forget that! *wink* I knew that! duh!
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Post by Marcus on Jan 25, 2007 13:51:37 GMT -5
You know Wren. You Senbecc, & Marcus amaze me. You seem to be everywhere. Do you guys sleep anytime or what? hehehe I thank you for you kind words David!! We only seem to be everywhere because of the time difference there is usually one of us here at all times of the day! And also because we love it here!
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Post by Der Trommler on Jan 25, 2007 23:06:17 GMT -5
Tá fáilte romhat.... I kind of figured but you guys still have a load of input that is much more than any other forum I've seen. It's simply amazing!
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Post by flippo on Feb 18, 2008 12:39:58 GMT -5
i was just wondering if there has been any information found on the lesser known clans cause i know that some of the lesser known clans held some of the most prestigious posts in scotland such as the clan my family is from i am apart of the scrymgeour clan and at one point were the royal standard bearers to Robert the Bruce King of scotland
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 18, 2008 13:56:47 GMT -5
i was just wondering if there has been any information found on the lesser known clans cause i know that some of the lesser known clans held some of the most prestigious posts in scotland such as the clan my family is from i am apart of the scrymgeour clan and at one point were the royal standard bearers to Robert the Bruce King of scotland You're more than welcome to add any information that you may have on the matter.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 22, 2008 17:01:20 GMT -5
i was just wondering if there has been any information found on the lesser known clans cause i know that some of the lesser known clans held some of the most prestigious posts in scotland such as the clan my family is from i am apart of the scrymgeour clan and at one point were the royal standard bearers to Robert the Bruce King of scotland Very interesting indeed. If you have information on the scrymgeour clan to be discussed, then definitely - you should post it.
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