A debate on Myspace May 22, 2007 18:20:31 GMT -5
Post by Senbecc on May 22, 2007 18:20:31 GMT -5
Wicca is an initiate only mystery tradition, or more precisely a priesthood or religion without a laity, where one can trace their lineage back to Gardner. Wicca is hard polytheistic meaning that they have their own specific sets of gods, these are known as the Horned God and Great Mother, these names are outer court references as only when a Seeker (someone who wishes to become Wicca) is initiated are they taught the real names of the gods within Wicca. Wicca is also known as BTW = British Traditional Witchcraft.
Firstly I would ask what is mysterious about it? Secondly I see allot of Neo-this and Neo-that being thrown around...If you ask me 1954 is pretty "neo" too. Lastly, it seems to me that "Wica" is the proper name used by Gardner, not "Wicca", and to my mind is every bit as eclectic as any tradition of Wicca on the market today.
Though I certainly don't agree with calling up strangers, if you mean to initiate girls, I suppose you'll certainly want a couple of guys. lol...
I did not write the Definition, but I feel it is pretty clear and clean cut. Mysterious meaning oath bound, and I hate the point out the obvious here, but If I were to explain to you why it is a "Mystery Tradition" wouldnt that defeat the purpose?
LoL, goodness...I just see so many who claim it to be some "Mystery tradition" from ancient Europe that I forget the possibility of it being oath bound. The only problem I have there is that according to the tradition all of it was supposed to be oath bound, and yet Gardner, Buckland, Valentine, the Farrers, and so many others have broken these oaths. Just seems strange to me is all.
and I feel that the author of the definition does a good job explaining the Neo part. "The 'Neo' in Neo-wicca refers to the New Age approach taken by Neo-wicca that puts emphasis on personal spirituality or belief over the organized religion of Wicca.".
Traditional Wica seems to my mind to be every bit as "Neo" by these standards. Gardner himself took traditions from so many sources, and watered them down rendering many unrecognizable by their original cultures. Ever ask a Buddhist, or Hindu how they feel about how Wica views Karma? I personally don't see this as organised any more than the Wiccans.
And gardner does refer to it as Wica in his books, but in the actual Gardnerian Tradition the majority of people use two C's.. I dont see why that is actually being brought up here.. personally I think the word looks nicer with 2 C's.
Well it seems difficult to me to base whether or not another is wrong in claiming the title of their religion when the founder used one word and the "neo's" use another...Don't you? And simply because it looks nicer? What gives someone the right to do that? How exactly does that work? I mean as an Irish Druid should I start spelling it "drooid" because I think it looks better?
Yes the origins of Wicca are very ecclectic, Gardner did an awesome job peicing together portions of the religion from many sources. However His version is still the original, and when you stray far from what he did, there becomes a point where it is something entirely different. For example Judeism and Christianity. Both originate from the same "book" however, when you add things and subtract things they become entirely different.
Heh, he may have done an awesome job piecing it together, but his honesty, and his knowledge of history are so far off the wall and outside of the realm of reality its not even funny. Christianity as well isn't a religion that was intentionally leaked to the public. Now Wiccans (as opposed to Gardner's Wica) have began to create their own philosophies, they are built exactly as Gerald Gardner did. Seems to me that there are two names for two distinctly different religious philosophies.
(Posted here so I don't loose it and for disussion)