aj
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Jul 9, 2007 13:32:28 GMT -5
Post by aj on Jul 9, 2007 13:32:28 GMT -5
I suppose we should go back to the original notion of temples. I'm going to leave off all the "what if" stuff about ruling the world. I think those kind of speculations are kind of self indulgent and worthless. The temples, however, are not science fiction and can be accomplished easily enough. So what is stopping you (or anyone) from doing these temples now? Anyone can go through the legal process to establish a church, start collecting donations and funds, borrow, spend their own money, and/or do the labor themselves (or with volunteers) to build a temple. In fact, there are several different Wiccan, Pagan, and/or Heathen groups attempting to do so. The reason there areny any giant, modern Pagan temples is because thus far Pagans haven't really gone out of their way to contribute. That is how temples are built. Those who believe contribute. This means the only way you are going to get any (let alone many) is if you go out and start getting converts, and converts with more team spirit besides. Do you see where this is going? You can't big pretty temples without resources. You can't get resources without lots of followers. You can't get lots of followers without spreading the good word. This is why religions, particularly successful ones, have a predictable pattern through history. In math this rule reads something like this, "you cannot maximize two variables." I'll let you figure out how this applies to your desire. Myself, I've never had any great need for temples. They aren't required by my belief system, and in all honesty they pale beside the natural world. However, since such things do inspire you, go ahead and start working on one. You already have the legal right and the tools at you disposal. All it requires is the hard work. well that sucks. I hate when someone attempts to convert me and I absolutely refuse to be a hypocrite on that point.
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Finn
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Jul 9, 2007 13:49:04 GMT -5
Post by Finn on Jul 9, 2007 13:49:04 GMT -5
well that sucks. I hate when someone attempts to convert me and I absolutely refuse to be a hypocrite on that point. You are a bright guy. You figured out instantly or sensed my meaning by "you cannot maximize two variables." Bravo. That is the crux of the matter. Unless you are rich beyond the dreams of avarice and can finance your temples all by your lonesome, you need the contributions of others. That would mean seeking others of like mind, or turning others to like mind. Either your standards (or belief) that you shouldn't go convert must give ground, or your dream of a temple must give ground. They are mutually exclusive notions. I don't take any pleasure in being a killjoy. I might suggest that you will probably sleep easier when you come to the realization that everyone is seeking to convert everyone else. It happens everytime you open your mouth. It is a very human quality. It is as difficult to avoid as getting pimples. Some people are polite an do a soft sell, some people are "my way or the highway types," and others simply eliminate the competition any way they can. Look around the room you are in right now. Chances are if you started counting you would find brand names, advertisements, and slogans of a fairly surprising number. We live and breath propaganda every second of our lives. That isn't a bad thing. It isn't a good thing. It just is what it is. Even the temples you desire to create are nothing but BIG SIGNS trying to impart meaning.
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aj
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Temples
Jul 10, 2007 0:22:32 GMT -5
Post by aj on Jul 10, 2007 0:22:32 GMT -5
well that sucks. I hate when someone attempts to convert me and I absolutely refuse to be a hypocrite on that point. You are a bright guy. You figured out instantly or sensed my meaning by "you cannot maximize two variables." Bravo. That is the crux of the matter. Unless you are rich beyond the dreams of avarice and can finance your temples all by your lonesome, you need the contributions of others. That would mean seeking others of like mind, or turning others to like mind. Either your standards (or belief) that you shouldn't go convert must give ground, or your dream of a temple must give ground. They are mutually exclusive notions. I don't take any pleasure in being a killjoy. I might suggest that you will probably sleep easier when you come to the realization that everyone is seeking to convert everyone else. It happens everytime you open your mouth. It is a very human quality. It is as difficult to avoid as getting pimples. Some people are polite an do a soft sell, some people are "my way or the highway types," and others simply eliminate the competition any way they can. Look around the room you are in right now. Chances are if you started counting you would find brand names, advertisements, and slogans of a fairly surprising number. We live and breath propaganda every second of our lives. That isn't a bad thing. It isn't a good thing. It just is what it is. Even the temples you desire to create are nothing but BIG SIGNS trying to impart meaning. got a pretty good point there. after all what are debates and arguements but trying to bring the other side to your line of thinking?
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