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Post by Senbecc on May 19, 2006 0:42:09 GMT -5
I saw a very interesting topic on another site, and I would love to hear the opinions of our posters as well. Firstly I'll give my reply.
My beliefs are of a more Irish Pagan nature. The islands to the west are many and varried, and each realm within the three fold cosmos (Or Celtic cosmos, which ever you prefer) over lap so that all are connected. When one passes from beyond this life and back, it is a form of Fith Fath (shape shifting). One joins the ancesters and wisdom keepers, and is able to recall all past forms, whether these were human, a mountain, a scream in the night, tree, or animal...All things will be remembered. This is how one becomes wise in craft of Druidry, and is what I think the ancient Druids meant when the told the Greeks and Romans that it was they who had created the world.
Later within other realms and islands which lie under the sea, one is born into other lives, like those of the ever living Sidhe. The world of the Gods, where everyone lives by honor and truth, though persons can certainly live and die there as well, feast, or make love, or be bored. Sometimes people choose to be reincarnated within this realm, though like plants in the green world which can keep growing in a certain spot, then never return, so to can the human spirit make the same descision, for if we are graced with free will here, then why wouldn't we be in the other worlds?
What is "life" if not a constant quest for Draíocht? An evolution? An ever forward moving search for Fios, Eolas, and Fochmac the three forms of Knowledge and the names of Partholon's Druids at the beginning of Eriu? Anu's own quest for perfect knowledge, wisdom, and perfect understanding?
-Senbecc
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Post by moonwind333 on May 19, 2006 1:04:06 GMT -5
Did you ever see that movie with Robin Williams, "What Dreams May Come"? That is what I think happens to us right after we die ... we go someplace that is very special to us, a dream or memory or just a special place. We stay there until we get our heads and hearts together (its gotta be a bit disconcerting at first), then have our life reviews. From there we get to decide what we want to do next ... stay on that side and work, get reborn into this world, whatever the choices are for our level. Then, if we decide to come back here, it starts all over again!
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Post by Senbecc on May 19, 2006 1:35:32 GMT -5
Did you ever see that movie with Robin Williams, "What Dreams May Come"? That is what I think happens to us right after we die ... we go someplace that is very special to us, a dream or memory or just a special place. We stay there until we get our heads and hearts together (its gotta be a bit disconcerting at first), then have our life reviews. From there we get to decide what we want to do next ... stay on that side and work, get reborn into this world, whatever the choices are for our level. Then, if we decide to come back here, it starts all over again! Yeah, I really liked that movie too! I liked the way they used the beliefs of different cultures to create their picture of the other world.
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Post by Newlyn on May 19, 2006 10:15:22 GMT -5
I tend to agree with your views on this subject. The only thing I find disturbing is that if we leave this life in a sad or traumatic way - we may choose to stay for all eternity in sadness...
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Post by Senbecc on May 19, 2006 12:01:14 GMT -5
I tend to agree with your views on this subject. The only thing I find disturbing is that if we leave this life in a sad or traumatic way - we may choose to stay for all eternity in sadness... I don't think that would be exactly how it works...Eternity is a very long time to live with a single emotion.
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Post by pixiegypsy on May 19, 2006 15:27:09 GMT -5
I agree that we may be able to creat our own reality when we pass to the spirit side. A place that we remember as safe and in our memories of happiness. I also believe that each one of us, good and bad, (and that is an individual choice or opinion) are meant to live on this earth, creating both the good and bad for humanity, as we see in our history books. It may be so simple, because we are the ones that make our own life difficult. All by choice, as our nature is about free will. I personally rejoice for souls that pass, as they now have the freedom from our human confinement and they are truely home. I am new here, so hello to all, what a way to jump in!!!
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Post by Senbecc on May 19, 2006 15:35:48 GMT -5
I agree that we may be able to creat our own reality when we pass to the spirit side. A place that we remember as safe and in our memories of happiness. I also believe that each one of us, good and bad, (and that is an individual choice or opinion) are meant to live on this earth, creating both the good and bad for humanity, as we see in our history books. It may be so simple, because we are the ones that make our own life difficult. All by choice, as our nature is about free will. I personally rejoice for souls that pass, as they now have the freedom from our human confinement and they are truely home. I am new here, so hello to all, what a way to jump in!!! Nicely said!
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Post by stormcat on May 19, 2006 22:13:59 GMT -5
I believe on release from our current bondage, we stay around a day or two. Getting aclimated to our new freedom. I believe we go before our God/Goddess to review our actions and the effects it caused on other people. Then I believe we join the spirit, of which we are a small mote. We review our lessons and choose the time of rebirth, and decide if we need to go over our last life lessons again. We eventually must repay our bad Karma. Eventually we edge to perfection and become guides to other spirits. That's how I see it anyway.>^..^<
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Post by Senbecc on May 19, 2006 22:38:28 GMT -5
I believe on release from our current bondage, we stay around a day or two. Getting aclimated to our new freedom. I believe we go before our God/Goddess to review our actions and the effects it caused on other people. Then I believe we join the spirit, of which we are a small mote. We review our lessons and choose the time of rebirth, and decide if we need to go over our last life lessons again. We eventually must repay our bad Karma. Eventually we edge to perfection and become guides to other spirits. That's how I see it anyway.>^..^< I like that.
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Post by stormcat on May 20, 2006 22:31:40 GMT -5
Thank you, it gives me great comfort. I don't know if anyone believes in past lives. I vaguely remember a few, I'm not a great historical figure just a regular joe. I remember because I learned some hard lessons then.>^..^<
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Post by nevyn on May 22, 2006 17:47:09 GMT -5
I believe....in reincarnation. I believe that we go back "Home" (heaven, nirvana, vallhalla(sp!), hell, the summerlands, pick your title!) and we rest and grade our performance. Time means nothing, so we could be there 1 day or 1 millineum. We come back to learn the lessons that we set for ourselves with the help of the "council" or the "guardians" or whomever. We come back again and again until we learn said lesson. Whatever we go through, no matter how small or large is "pre-set". We have the freedom to choose how we go down a path, but that path is needed to learn whatever. Now, this belief is based on what feels right to me, taken from this religion and that religion, and I do not have any memories. I wish I did. I would have some ammo against the people who want to debate with me the fact that if I don't get saved by Jesus, I'm going to hell. I don't even believe in hell! And I do believe in Jesus! anyway, i digress!
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Post by stormcat on May 23, 2006 7:32:59 GMT -5
I don't feel as if I need a go between. Whatever I do is between me and God/Goddess. No one has to answer for me, but me. Tell the nay sayers that. They will be persistent, keep telling them the same things.>^..^<
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Post by theoccultchrist on May 23, 2006 14:12:31 GMT -5
I can not answer that in any sort of scholarly fashion - it is just my personal opionion; based on what i've read and have chosen to incorperate into my spirituality and also based on my personal perception and from my personal reality.
* This is what got my in trouble on that evil Myspace group - I hope the same thing doesnt happen here hah*
I'm actually not quite sure what happens when we die. I am sortof Agnostic when it comes to the afterlife as in I do not know for sure - I don't think none of us can know for sure until we are there.
But I do have a theory as to what I think I'd like to happen.
I think somehow Heaven/Summerland and Hell and Reincarnation can co-exist.
I do not think Heaven/Summerland and Hell would be nessicarily eternal.
I think if you were a good person in life and strived to attain all you could attain and became as close to perfect as humanly possibly then you would get a choice to stay in a paradise style after life or to be reincarnated as whatever you wanted to be.
If you didn't reach that level you would be re-incarnated until your higher conciousness was able to reach that state of "perfection" and you learned all the life lessons and achieved all the goals you were meant to.
if you were a bad person in life then I think you would go to hell for a finate period of time - kinda like a jail sentence - but then you would be reincarnated and have to start all over again.
as far as who decides whats good and what is bad and what is perfect and what is imperfect - I believe only the divine entity/energy is the only one that can decide that.
And like I told John yesterday in a message:
"i'm a firm believer that all these religions are somehow connected rather people will ever admit that or not - I think that all these divine figures and these gods and teachings were given to certain people, in certain time frames in certain ways that would be understood - but it all was/is for the greater good of humanity from the "divine energy" which incompasses all - the everything - but maybe that is just my "reletivism" talking. I also, think that certain religions have altered their texts X number of times to hold authority and to keep their monopoly on religion and such - though I still look at these teachings - because im an optimist - and i'd like to think there is some truth to them - and some good can come out of them. but I do not see any of it as 100% literal truth due to the fact that if you look at the historasity you can see corruption in their "scriptures" I believe firmly that no matter what religion or spiritual path you follow that it all boils down to personal perception and your own "Personal truth" as you have come to know it."
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Post by Senbecc on May 23, 2006 14:39:10 GMT -5
I can not answer that in any sort of scholarly fashion - it is just my personal opionion; based on what i've read and have chosen to incorperate into my spirituality and also based on my personal perception and from my personal reality. * This is what got my in trouble on that evil Myspace group - I hope the same thing doesnt happen here hah* I'm actually not quite sure what happens when we die. I am sortof Agnostic when it comes to the afterlife as in I do not know for sure - I don't think none of us can know for sure until we are there. But I do have a theory as to what I think I'd like to happen. I think somehow Heaven/Summerland and Hell and Reincarnation can co-exist. I do not think Heaven/Summerland and Hell would be nessicarily eternal. I think if you were a good person in life and strived to attain all you could attain and became as close to perfect as humanly possibly then you would get a choice to stay in a paradise style after life or to be reincarnated as whatever you wanted to be. If you didn't reach that level you would be re-incarnated until your higher conciousness was able to reach that state of "perfection" and you learned all the life lessons and achieved all the goals you were meant to. if you were a bad person in life then I think you would go to hell for a finate period of time - kinda like a jail sentence - but then you would be reincarnated and have to start all over again. as far as who decides whats good and what is bad and what is perfect and what is imperfect - I believe only the divine entity/energy is the only one that can decide that. And like I told John yesterday in a message: "i'm a firm believer that all these religions are somehow connected rather people will ever admit that or not - I think that all these divine figures and these gods and teachings were given to certain people, in certain time frames in certain ways that would be understood - but it all was/is for the greater good of humanity from the "divine energy" which incompasses all - the everything - but maybe that is just my "reletivism" talking. I also, think that certain religions have altered their texts X number of times to hold authority and to keep their monopoly on religion and such - though I still look at these teachings - because im an optimist - and i'd like to think there is some truth to them - and some good can come out of them. but I do not see any of it as 100% literal truth due to the fact that if you look at the historasity you can see corruption in their "scriptures" I believe firmly that no matter what religion or spiritual path you follow that it all boils down to personal perception and your own "Personal truth" as you have come to know it." Western society has changed so many of the old ways and views of how to look at such things, as well as their 9 qualities. You not only challenged views with your opinion, you challenged a western concept of time with the statement that heaven, hell and reincarnation can coincide. Here in the west it seems to be the consensus view that time only travels in a straight line, that time is the one thing that is ever flowing. I would argue that time is the one thing that stands still, and that it simply is. Time does not flow the same in the Sidhe realm for example as it does in the land of the "living". Here in this realm, we are each given the gift of free-will, why in death would that free will be taken from us? Reincarnation to me is a way for the universe to continue it's evolution, it's quest for Draíocht or knowledge and wisdom. This IMO explains the many mistakes nature has made in the past with evolution. Through the blanket of time we each pass through in life, as well as the free will given to each spirit, I too maintain that the three are fine bed fellows, then again as a Celt I may just be bias due to the three fold set-up of the idea.
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Post by moonwind333 on May 23, 2006 17:56:02 GMT -5
Though many people do not recognize it, reincarnation is mentioned in the bible more than once, so it always seemed to me that the people in those times believed in some sort of return.
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