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Post by stormcat on Jul 7, 2006 23:43:39 GMT -5
I would like to ask what causes the "Pack" mentality. In this I mean what makes seemingly "normal", people turn vicious. The apparent weakness of another individual is perceived, and the hunt is on. Planning and carrying out attacks consumes them. Is this due to boredom, lack of challenge, or simply the primitive mind taking over. No one take this as an affront! I'm simply curious, this is opinions not accusations. I'm interested what other people think. Peace. >^..^<
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Post by Marcus on Jul 8, 2006 12:24:58 GMT -5
I was in a situation once where i could have walked away or just let the group that where hurting my friend continue to hurt him. I lost complete control of what i was doing and attacked the group. I cant even remember what i did to some of them but i hurt one of them bad. I only really came to my senses when i was getting a beating on the groud lol.
But it allways makes me wonder what it was that took over me and what made me violent. I think in certain situations the primitive can take over.
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Post by Marcus on Jul 8, 2006 12:25:44 GMT -5
But after that experience i will never use violence again. Or atleast try hard to block the violence within me.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 8, 2006 12:58:19 GMT -5
I personally think the "wilding" mentatlity may be in the genes. Ages ago the weakest was either food, a detriment to the pack (slowing them down so the flight mode was in danger, or something to be toyed with (such as a cat with a mouse today) ... . So, I am going to choose the primitive mind taking over.
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Post by stormcat on Jul 8, 2006 18:55:12 GMT -5
Yes, it's reasonable to assume the strong survive and the weak fail. One would assume that our experiences as "civilized" beings, would be able to surpress this mind set. Which is the way of the world with physical crimes being so prevelant. Something to chew on.>^..^<
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 8, 2006 19:43:00 GMT -5
Yes, it's reasonable to assume the strong survive and the weak fail. One would assume that our experiences as "civilized" beings, would be able to surpress this mind set. Which is the way of the world with physical crimes being so prevelant. Something to chew on.>^..^< The group settings is what really scares me ... the teenagers, boys more than girls, that go on rampages ... the soccer "hooligans", the street riots that happen to "celebrate" sports winnings .... and so on and on. Even worse, the wrong-doers seem to get more response than those trying to stop such doings. Could "civilized" be only one centimeter thick?
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Post by Marcus on Jul 9, 2006 8:20:16 GMT -5
I was thinking about this topic. I remember reading something about the primitive instincts within us. People have actually researched these things in great detail.
When you sneak up behind someone and scare them or if someone slams a door it is very likely that people 'jump' in reaction to it. Its like in a subconcious mind that the body thinks there is danger and it reacts.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 9, 2006 14:06:55 GMT -5
I was thinking about this topic. I remember reading something about the primitive instincts within us. People have actually researched these things in great detail. When you sneak up behind someone and scare them or if someone slams a door it is very likely that people 'jump' in reaction to it. Its like in a subconcious mind that the body thinks there is danger and it reacts. Good point! There is still something deep within us that still reacts to the fight or flight instinct even when there is no need for it! (Of course, this is why many filmmakers make millions of dollars by tapping into that instinct with horror films!)
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Post by Silver on Jul 9, 2006 16:12:57 GMT -5
I once lost a job due to that primitve reflex , I was working in wharehouse packing cd's and one of the guys liked to scare people by droping pallets on the floor and making loud noises, well one day I had a really bad migrain coming on and I was deep into counting and packaging cd's and he dropped one of those pallets on the floor and he took off running and before I knew what I was doing I grabbed a spindle with very heavy base and tossed it at his retreating back, I missed him of course but I was the one who got fired for violence in the work place , and I wasnt being violent , it was pure instinctive reflex.
but that is one of the reasons I am such a control freak cause I know what I am capable of and why I try never to get enraged, dont get me wrong, I rant and rave in my house and everyone pretty much ignores me but, when i get quiet and dont say noting and ignore everyone , believe me they are start doing stuff casue they know I have reached my limit, when I reach my limit , I stay the heck away from everyone. Also I am one of those people who when I get really mad , I start crying and that makes me madder , cause no one pays any attention to a mad person who crys, they just think their over emotional
for most people I think is primitive instinct but there are some who are just plaing sick and evil, or else the only way they can feel better is to make someone else feel worse
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Post by wren on Jul 9, 2006 16:33:20 GMT -5
The group settings is what really scares me ... the teenagers, boys more than girls, that go on rampages ... the soccer "hooligans", the street riots that happen to "celebrate" sports winnings .... and so on and on. Even worse, the wrong-doers seem to get more response than those trying to stop such doings. Could "civilized" be only one centimeter thick? Though perhaps girls may be less violent than boys, they are no less prone to this reflex. Every see a group of girls 'go after' another girl they don't like? Maybe no fists fly, but the damage can be irreparable! And, there are now violent girl gangs as well. we've had incidents here in Philadelphia and Camden that involved only girls. Scary! I think the gangs make people feel like they belong to something bigger. Sad but... (shrug)
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 9, 2006 17:51:20 GMT -5
The group settings is what really scares me ... the teenagers, boys more than girls, that go on rampages ... the soccer "hooligans", the street riots that happen to "celebrate" sports winnings .... and so on and on. Even worse, the wrong-doers seem to get more response than those trying to stop such doings. Could "civilized" be only one centimeter thick? Though perhaps girls may be less violent than boys, they are no less prone to this reflex. Every see a group of girls 'go after' another girl they don't like? Maybe no fists fly, but the damage can be irreparable! And, there are now violent girl gangs as well. we've had incidents here in Philadelphia and Camden that involved only girls. Scary! I think the gangs make people feel like they belong to something bigger. Sad but... (shrug) You bring up a very good point! I was thinking more along the lines of a bunch of strangers that happen to be at the same place at the same time as compared to a group that hangs around together a lot of the time. That is why I said boys more than girls because it seems to happen in a group male strangers than a group of female strangers, though there are often some girls in the stranger group.
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Post by stormcat on Jul 9, 2006 21:27:54 GMT -5
I don't think the fight or flight reflex should be suppressed. It still continues to save countless lives. My son used to love to scare me too, he'd hide and jump out at me. I suffered abuse as a child and never knew when the next blow was coming. Hence the extreme fear when scared. One day when he was 17 he caught me coming out of the room, no place to run so I clocked him. He was very hurt, (despite the fact he'd been warned numerous times) so I told him why I'd asked him not to do it. I also explained it could easily have been a knife and not my fist! That was the last time he did it. Some primative responses are still of value. Just don't care for the "pack." >^..^<
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 12, 2006 2:18:19 GMT -5
I personally think the "wilding" mentatlity may be in the genes. Ages ago the weakest was either food, a detriment to the pack (slowing them down so the flight mode was in danger, or something to be toyed with (such as a cat with a mouse today) ... . So, I am going to choose the primitive mind taking over. I agree. On a similar note, have you all ever heard that one reason some men cheat on their significant others is because it's a primitive need to procreate... in prehistoric times times a man would mate with as many women as possible during their fertile phase to spread his seed and ensure the survival of the species. Some people claim that habitual cheating is actually a residual survivalist instinct from ancient times. What are your opinions on that?
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Post by stormcat on Jul 12, 2006 20:54:51 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly believe this to be true. However it can be sufficiently suppressed. I think some people are genuinely weaker then others. That's what is so baffling about these behaviors in regular everyday people. What's the Trigger? What makes ordinary people snap? I'm guessing stress, I could be wrong though. >^..^<
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 13, 2006 0:06:31 GMT -5
Stress, and supressed emotions. Some people hold all their feeling in until they can't take it anymore, until the slightest thing sets them off and....kaboom! They explode.
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