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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 29, 2006 17:45:10 GMT -5
I worked as a school nurse, kids can be awful. But the Nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Parental responses to situations play a big part character formation. Perhaps if she'd gone to a school counselor her mother would have known how bad things were. There are to many maybes. Charlies death was a big shock to everyone. I just want to know why, not the details. From everything said he was a kind, gentle soul. What drove him to it in the dark hours? To rage against society about one young girls death is a practice in futility. Pagans are to few and unorganized to make a loud and public statement. Hence the fear to come out of the Broom Closet. The Christian Right have great political power, they know how to use it. To intimadate and defame people of other faiths. If I marched on the Capitol, how many pagans would come with me? We stand to lose much to become Martys. My family is the mortar that holds me together.>^..^< I would come with you! I have never been christian, so I have spent my entire life being "something else". I've been spit on, I've had things thrown at me, I've been yelled at ... so, I would come with you and we would have two martyrs at the "I Have A Dream" spot once again yelling "I Have A Dream"!
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Post by Senbecc on Apr 29, 2006 17:58:54 GMT -5
I worked as a school nurse, kids can be awful. But the Nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Parental responses to situations play a big part character formation. Perhaps if she'd gone to a school counselor her mother would have known how bad things were. There are to many maybes. Charlies death was a big shock to everyone. I just want to know why, not the details. From everything said he was a kind, gentle soul. What drove him to it in the dark hours? To rage against society about one young girls death is a practice in futility. Pagans are to few and unorganized to make a loud and public statement. Hence the fear to come out of the Broom Closet. The Christian Right have great political power, they know how to use it. To intimadate and defame people of other faiths. If I marched on the Capitol, how many pagans would come with me? We stand to lose much to become Martys. My family is the mortar that holds me together.>^..^< Charlie was the voice of reason within a sea of BS at times. Sometimes I got the feeling that he was something of a passivist...If this was true then he was a far far stronger man than I could ever be. On to Tempest. What you say is very true, however I am behind the Tempest foundation and will probably donate to it. I've always thought of the cruelty of kids as an attempt at defining the self as an individual among individuals. At the same time a need to fit in and find those of like mind. It must have been crushing for this young girl to feel so alone. I remember the days when it was me...My biggest fear in life was to be labeled a tattle tail, squealer, or narc. I'm not sure that anyone is trying to rage against society though, I just think they would have liked a little more attention given to a little girls suicide, made for no other reason than to escape the constant banter of the other kids. The whole thing really got me steamed up, lol. I had read like a paragraph on Tempest and never really got the full picture until I read these articles. For example, theres a woman who made the world news because she got a spanking at work, and they can't find the time to make the world aware of such things? Had it been the other way around we would have heard it I'll bet...
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Post by Pel on Apr 29, 2006 23:01:30 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and I hate that those people would call themselves the same. They're nothing more than pathetic individuals trying to make themselves feel better by putting someone else down. I had two people pick on me all throughout high school. I'm not exactly sure of the reason, even today. I ended up handling one of the people, though. We had a mutual friend who heard me saying something, then she went and told the guy picking on me. (His name was David, a jock on the football team, over 6' tall 200 lbs. in the 11th grade ... your typical @$$hole.) Well, when he heard whatever it was I said, he came up to me in front of all my friends at lunch and apologized ... for a while. I ended up giving him a "die and burn in hell look", which I must've learned in church or something . Anyway, the point is that most of these people are cowards. They try to prey on those they believe are weak. I could sit here and defend Christianity, but I don't think I have to. Even my different viewpoint in Christianity has drawn attention from the "holier-than-thou" crowd. They tried to use Bible verses and scripture to make me believe what they thought I should believe. Not every Christian is like that. It was the people that had narrow minds that were using Christianity as a tool. And the Christians confronting me had good intentions. I can't imagine the kind of torment Tempest felt on a daily basis. Not only was she faced with people who used Christianity as a tool, but they had intentions similar to the two people who tried to make my life hell. On top of that, she was more alone than I have ever been, facing odds greater than I have ever faced. People can be cruel. That rings so much truer with children.
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Post by stormcat on Apr 30, 2006 20:16:36 GMT -5
Yes, youth can be a Pisser. I had it hard and long, my parents were indifferent to the pain. I learned to self soothe, food is my friend. Then to be spirtually different, a weirdo, a spook. To see things, and be told to be quiet because nothing was there. I entered adulthood with alot issues. I'm still trying to work through alot of the sh*t. I guess life is learning. If only these kids would learn that it ends, it really does. No one gives me any crap nowdays, they try, oh yes they do! I guess what I'm basically saying is, in the end none of this will matter. The BS that is.>^..^<
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Post by Senbecc on Apr 30, 2006 22:01:26 GMT -5
Yes, youth can be a Pisser. I had it hard and long, my parents were indifferent to the pain. I learned to self soothe, food is my friend. Then to be spirtually different, a weirdo, a spook. To see things, and be told to be quiet because nothing was there. I entered adulthood with alot issues. I'm still trying to work through alot of the sh*t. I guess life is learning. If only these kids would learn that it ends, it really does. No one gives me any crap nowdays, they try, oh yes they do! I guess what I'm basically saying is, in the end none of this will matter. The BS that is.>^..^< Oh I think it all matters. I would hate to think all the pain and suffering one endures on the road of life means nothing at all.
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Post by Senbecc on Apr 30, 2006 22:04:27 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and I hate that those people would call themselves the same. They're nothing more than pathetic individuals trying to make themselves feel better by putting someone else down. I had two people pick on me all throughout high school. I'm not exactly sure of the reason, even today. I ended up handling one of the people, though. We had a mutual friend who heard me saying something, then she went and told the guy picking on me. (His name was David, a jock on the football team, over 6' tall 200 lbs. in the 11th grade ... your typical @$$hole.) Well, when he heard whatever it was I said, he came up to me in front of all my friends at lunch and apologized ... for a while. I ended up giving him a "die and burn in hell look", which I must've learned in church or something . Anyway, the point is that most of these people are cowards. They try to prey on those they believe are weak. I could sit here and defend Christianity, but I don't think I have to. Even my different viewpoint in Christianity has drawn attention from the "holier-than-thou" crowd. They tried to use Bible verses and scripture to make me believe what they thought I should believe. Not every Christian is like that. It was the people that had narrow minds that were using Christianity as a tool. And the Christians confronting me had good intentions. I can't imagine the kind of torment Tempest felt on a daily basis. Not only was she faced with people who used Christianity as a tool, but they had intentions similar to the two people who tried to make my life hell. On top of that, she was more alone than I have ever been, facing odds greater than I have ever faced. People can be cruel. That rings so much truer with children. Very true. I think maybe people feel the need to draw on those of like mind and "demonize" those who are not at times. I like to think of Christians as people like you Pel. Those who are strong enough to admit there are other ways of seeing the world than those we have made for ourselves.
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Post by Pel on May 1, 2006 4:23:43 GMT -5
Very true. I think maybe people feel the need to draw on those of like mind and "demonize" those who are not at times. I like to think of Christians as people like you Pel. Those who are strong enough to admit there are other ways of seeing the world than those we have made for ourselves. thanks, Senbecc
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Post by flowerfaeryqueen on May 1, 2006 8:06:31 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and I hate that those people would call themselves the same. They're nothing more than pathetic individuals trying to make themselves feel better by putting someone else down. I had two people pick on me all throughout high school. I'm not exactly sure of the reason, even today. I ended up handling one of the people, though. We had a mutual friend who heard me saying something, then she went and told the guy picking on me. (His name was David, a jock on the football team, over 6' tall 200 lbs. in the 11th grade ... your typical @$$hole.) Well, when he heard whatever it was I said, he came up to me in front of all my friends at lunch and apologized ... for a while. I ended up giving him a "die and burn in hell look", which I must've learned in church or something . Anyway, the point is that most of these people are cowards. They try to prey on those they believe are weak. I could sit here and defend Christianity, but I don't think I have to. Even my different viewpoint in Christianity has drawn attention from the "holier-than-thou" crowd. They tried to use Bible verses and scripture to make me believe what they thought I should believe. Not every Christian is like that. It was the people that had narrow minds that were using Christianity as a tool. And the Christians confronting me had good intentions. I can't imagine the kind of torment Tempest felt on a daily basis. Not only was she faced with people who used Christianity as a tool, but they had intentions similar to the two people who tried to make my life hell. On top of that, she was more alone than I have ever been, facing odds greater than I have ever faced. People can be cruel. That rings so much truer with children. Very true. I think maybe people feel the need to draw on those of like mind and "demonize" those who are not at times. I like to think of Christians as people like you Pel. Those who are strong enough to admit there are other ways of seeing the world than those we have made for ourselves. wise words, senbecc.
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Post by maggiemypet on May 15, 2006 23:15:42 GMT -5
I think the deal with suicide...well, at least from how I understood it at the time, is that you just want it to stop hurting. People will say, "How can you be so selfish?" or "What were you thinking?"
Well, quite simply, you are just so consumed with hurt that you cannot see past it. You don't want to DIE in the sense of the word, it just seems to be the only answer to make the hurt stop.
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Post by Senbecc on May 18, 2006 18:25:56 GMT -5
I think the deal with suicide...well, at least from how I understood it at the time, is that you just want it to stop hurting. People will say, "How can you be so selfish?" or "What were you thinking?" Well, quite simply, you are just so consumed with hurt that you cannot see past it. You don't want to DIE in the sense of the word, it just seems to be the only answer to make the hurt stop. Suicide is definitely a dark study, the sadness and aloneness that these people must feel is staggering. I have known a good deal of it. I was in a deep depression at one point, and I'd be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind. However I found my path, and clung to it for dear life, and soon began to pull myself back up...I've come a very long way since those days, and now see them as a learning and growing expieriance...One I actually wouldn't trade.
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Post by moonwind333 on May 18, 2006 18:33:14 GMT -5
This is one reason (at least for me) the belief in reincarnation is so helpful. Whatever you are struggling thru in this life is there because you chose it ... if you bow out early, then you are just going to have to go thru it again in another life, sort of like repeating a grade if you flunk it. Personally, I'd rather get my lessons done in this lifetime.
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Post by heathenhammer on May 18, 2006 19:19:28 GMT -5
Gods, what a waste.
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Post by Senbecc on May 18, 2006 21:03:35 GMT -5
Gods, what a waste. yeah...it really was a sad story.
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Post by Senbecc on May 18, 2006 21:07:58 GMT -5
This is one reason (at least for me) the belief in reincarnation is so helpful. Whatever you are struggling thru in this life is there because you chose it ... if you bow out early, then you are just going to have to go thru it again in another life, sort of like repeating a grade if you flunk it. Personally, I'd rather get my lessons done in this lifetime. Irish beliefs in reincarnation are such an inticate study. Caitlín Mathews actually wrote an entire book on the subject, that I would highly recomend to anyone who studies the celtic traditions, call the Celtic book of the dead. It deals with how the texts describe the after life, and how our own lives mirrior that of the life of the green world...It really is a very good study, and a very unique way of seeing the many lives beyond this one.
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Post by wiccafairey on Jun 1, 2006 12:04:16 GMT -5
If it made the news. Its saying Wicca IS a form of RELIGON. And we CAN'T to that. Its true that kids will pick on one who is called an outcast and nowadays they are worst when ever.THIS SHOULD STOP PERIOD! And YES- It IS a form of DISCREMATION(SP SORRY)that someone who believes in Wicca to be picked on and forced to move or go to a new school. If something was said to a Jew. (IM NOT KNOCKING ON THEM> JUST EXP.) That person would have been kicked out of school and have a hate crime on them. I know someone who was told to REMOVE his ring because it had a pentagram on it(at work). His reply(which was great). "I will ,as soon as you remove your cross necklace. If I have to remove MY religest symble then EVERYONE DOES." he got a nevermind reply back. Until WICCA is noticed as a REAL RELIGON. This will just go on. Which is why so many still hide what they true believe.
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