raven
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Post by raven on Apr 6, 2006 23:41:39 GMT -5
ok people y'all wanted a debate so here we go. we've probably all heard someone claiming to be a natural born witch. so what do you think is one born a witch or can anyone become one?
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Post by Senbecc on Apr 6, 2006 23:49:50 GMT -5
ok people y'all wanted a debate so here we go. we've probably all heard someone claiming to be a natural born witch. so what do you think is one born a witch or can anyone become one? I personally feel that the Witch is decided by how much work and study their willing to put into their path...I feel that that is what defines a religion, or practice. What do you think?
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raven
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Post by raven on Apr 7, 2006 0:18:18 GMT -5
ok people y'all wanted a debate so here we go. we've probably all heard someone claiming to be a natural born witch. so what do you think is one born a witch or can anyone become one? I personally feel that the Witch is decided by how much work and study their willing to put into their path...I feel that that is what defines a religion, or practice. What do you think? i agree. i feel that there are people who are born with a natural talent towards the craft and that it may come easier to them than for someone who has to really work and study harder. just like one person can be a natural at playing a musical instrument or at math while others have to work harder at it. i don't think it's like a "charmed" thing where either you're born a witch or not.
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Post by Senbecc on Apr 7, 2006 1:01:57 GMT -5
I personally feel that the Witch is decided by how much work and study their willing to put into their path...I feel that that is what defines a religion, or practice. What do you think? i agree. i feel that there are people who are born with a natural talent towards the craft and that it may come easier to them than for someone who has to really work and study harder. just like one person can be a natural at playing a musical instrument or at math while others have to work harder at it. i don't think it's like a "charmed" thing where either you're born a witch or not. Certainly there are those born with a natural aptitude for memorization of texts, poetry, and other such things. Which gives the appearance of natural talent. However IMHO these things are ancient memories, passed through the bodies of the Ancestors down to us. Just as our DNA has their genetics encoded within it, so are their memories, spirits, and physical attributes a part of our very core.
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raven
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Post by raven on Apr 7, 2006 1:53:48 GMT -5
i agree. i feel that there are people who are born with a natural talent towards the craft and that it may come easier to them than for someone who has to really work and study harder. just like one person can be a natural at playing a musical instrument or at math while others have to work harder at it. i don't think it's like a "charmed" thing where either you're born a witch or not. Certainly there are those born with a natural aptitude for memorization of texts, poetry, and other such things. Which gives the appearance of natural talent. this could be, for example i have a natural talent for writing especially poetry. two things that make me really good at writing incantations for spells. i have a "natural" talent for Ouija boards. i believe this is due to the fact that i'm an empath and energy vamp and easily tune into people. i don't however feel any of this makes me a natural born witch. there are other areas of the craft that i have to work harder on. like poppet magick. i'm no good at it. and i have to really work at water or fire scrying because i lose consentartion to easily with these. i've often wondered about that. also wondered if past lives give us that "sometimes you just know" type of thing.
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Post by KittyLane on Apr 7, 2006 7:42:03 GMT -5
i've often wondered about that. also wondered if past lives give us that "sometimes you just know" type of thing. i think that is alot of my abilities. that is who/what i thank when in practice.
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Post by Sojrn on Apr 7, 2006 13:28:02 GMT -5
IMO, there's no such thing as a natural born witch or a natural born Druid, or Sorcerer, etc. since these are human made titles. I believe one is born with abilities and DNA memories, so for me there are natural born magick users and psychics that have strengths and weaknesses according to their own personal makeup.
For example, two babies are born at the same time but on different sides of town. One is born in say a Wiccan family and the other is born into a Christian family. Each child has the same abilities early on. So the title would be given to the child in the Wiccan family, but what about the Christian child? Even though the two children have the same abilities, one is a natural born witch and the other is a natural born magick user/psychic until they find their particular path.
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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 7, 2006 13:37:22 GMT -5
ok people y'all wanted a debate so here we go. we've probably all heard someone claiming to be a natural born witch. so what do you think is one born a witch or can anyone become one? OK, I've done a lot of thinking on this one. Here it goes: First, what is meant by "witch". Does it encompass all who practice magick, whether they use the term or not, which would then include anyone from the Ceremonial High Magician to the Jungle Shaman. That is how I'm going to interpret the meaning of "witch" for this discussion. Based on that, I know move to natural born. By this are we looking at hereditary? Let's look at a case of psychic ability (which I am including in "witch", something which is seldom discussed in Paganism, but, IMO, should be). For those who have watched it, there is a TV show on now, Medium. In this show (supposedly based on an actual person) we are being shown that her young daughter is displaying the same abilities as her mother. Based on this, the child inherited the psychic ability from a parent, thus is "natural born", though they may not consider themselves "witches". Yet the abilities are the same regardless of the name used. Now I turn to what I believe to be more often the case. IMO, I believe most babies are born with the natural abilities of magick (no matter what religion they may be born into). These may manifest as psychic ability, "imaginary" friends, an affinity to nature or animals beyond the norm, etc. Not everyone is born with the SAME abilities, but I do believe there is a part of the brain that is working as a youngster that is sometimes lost as the child grows up. Most often it is lost because the child is told to "stop dreaming", "its your imagination", or worst case - "stop lying". In other words, the natural abilities are buried. But that doesn't mean they are gone, just hidden. And that leads to "can anyone become one". Since I think that everyone has some type of magick in their soul from birth, and that for many this ability has been repressed, then yes, I think anyone can become one because it is relearning that which has been forgotten! But, as others have said, it manifests in different ways for different individuals. So, there you have it. My humble opinion.
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Post by Newlyn on Apr 7, 2006 14:07:01 GMT -5
I think this is one of the reasons I am so drawn to paganism.
Raised Christian, yet having the abilities that I have - there is no outlet for them.
Am I a natural witch? No. But I am a person with natural abilities that may make me a good witch.
Did that make sense?
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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 7, 2006 14:09:20 GMT -5
I think this is one of the reasons I am so drawn to paganism. Raised Christian, yet having the abilities that I have - there is no outlet for them. Am I a natural witch? No. But I am a person with natural abilities that may make me a good witch. Did that make sense? Yep!
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Post by KittyLane on Apr 10, 2006 11:47:35 GMT -5
I think this is one of the reasons I am so drawn to paganism. Raised Christian, yet having the abilities that I have - there is no outlet for them. Am I a natural witch? No. But I am a person with natural abilities that may make me a good witch. Did that make sense? i think for people like newlyn, you are probably asking yourself, how do i enhance my natural abilities? if thats the way you are leaning.
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Post by Newlyn on Apr 10, 2006 13:07:53 GMT -5
I think this is one of the reasons I am so drawn to paganism. Raised Christian, yet having the abilities that I have - there is no outlet for them. Am I a natural witch? No. But I am a person with natural abilities that may make me a good witch. Did that make sense? i think for people like newlyn, you are probably asking yourself, how do i enhance my natural abilities? if thats the way you are leaning. That's true, Kitty. I would like to enhance my natural abilities. I'm finding that the best way to do that (at this point)is continuing to try and find my path.
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Post by KittyLane on Apr 10, 2006 15:19:36 GMT -5
i think for people like newlyn, you are probably asking yourself, how do i enhance my natural abilities? if thats the way you are leaning. That's true, Kitty. I would like to enhance my natural abilities. I'm finding that the best way to do that (at this point)is continuing to try and find my path. yes. and meditate, meditate, meditate. with all your "free time".
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Pel
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Post by Pel on Apr 10, 2006 18:03:40 GMT -5
And that leads to "can anyone become one". Since I think that everyone has some type of magick in their soul from birth, and that for many this ability has been repressed, then yes, I think anyone can become one because it is relearning that which has been forgotten! "Learning is finding out what you already know." -Richard Bach, Illusions
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Post by KittyLane on Apr 10, 2006 18:09:12 GMT -5
And that leads to "can anyone become one". Since I think that everyone has some type of magick in their soul from birth, and that for many this ability has been repressed, then yes, I think anyone can become one because it is relearning that which has been forgotten! "Learning is finding out what you already know." -Richard Bach, Illusionsooo good one.
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