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Post by KittyLane on Feb 6, 2007 16:49:53 GMT -5
The Rule of ThreeThe rule of three is simple but very powerful: Whatever you do comes back to you threefold. This is not only in magick, but in every aspect of life. Witches are warned in the Wiccan Rede to "ever mind the rule of three." So remember to think before you act, or you could suffer serious consequences. Ask anyone who did a less than nice spell on someone what repercussions they had. They are never pretty. Most Wiccans also believe in Karma, a phenomenon that guides the soul toward evolving acts. While it isn't quite a cosmic system of checks and balances, good brings good and bad propagates bad. Wiccans don't believe in predestination. We make the choices that pattern our lives. We are responsible for our own actions -- we have no one to blame for them except ourselves. In some religions, there is a belief that you will get your rewards and punishments after you die, in the afterlife. Because of this, many people think they can get away with things, not having to face up to their responsibilities until after death. Not so in Witchcraft. We believe that we are responsible for our actions right here and now. (Raymond Buckland). Below are some commonly used seals for spells that are evermindful of the rule of three: By the power of three times three, this spell is bound so mote it be. ****
By the karmic power of the number three This spell tied or knotted be So that its contents stay together And can't harm human, beast or weather (Dorothy Morrison) www.bewitchingways.com/wicca/three.htm
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Post by KittyLane on Feb 12, 2007 17:56:12 GMT -5
The Rule of ThreeWiccans don't believe in predestination. We make the choices that pattern our lives. We are responsible for our own actions -- we have no one to blame for them except ourselves. this is the first time i have seen this, but if this is true then wiccan i am not! lol.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 12, 2007 23:04:14 GMT -5
The Rule of ThreeWiccans don't believe in predestination. We make the choices that pattern our lives. We are responsible for our own actions -- we have no one to blame for them except ourselves. this is the first time i have seen this, but if this is true then wiccan i am not! lol. I must say that I for one believe both...And yes I see that as the universal contridiction of all time
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 13, 2007 18:52:43 GMT -5
this is the first time i have seen this, but if this is true then wiccan i am not! lol. I must say that I for one believe both...And yes I see that as the universal contridiction of all time Pause..... How is not believing in things being predestined and taking responsiblity for ones own actions a universal contradiction?
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 14, 2007 7:48:47 GMT -5
I must say that I for one believe both...And yes I see that as the universal contridiction of all time Pause..... How is not believing in things being predestined and taking responsiblity for ones own actions a universal contradiction? Well its not really, until you realize that you believe both at the same time.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 14, 2007 11:43:30 GMT -5
Pause..... How is not believing in things being predestined and taking responsiblity for ones own actions a universal contradiction? Well its not really, until you realize that you believe both at the same time. huh?
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Post by tanath on Feb 14, 2007 23:05:16 GMT -5
Pause..... How is not believing in things being predestined and taking responsiblity for ones own actions a universal contradiction? Well its not really, until you realize that you believe both at the same time. it makes sense to me. i believe that the big things are predestined, like when you die and who you marry, while the little things are not, like rather or not you run a red light. the small details of the day to day are our responsibility. we can screw up the cosmic plan if we screw up enough. you may marry the person you're meant to be with but if you screw up enough that marraige doesn't have to last. it's all a matter of paying attention to what you're doing while still believing that the universe will do it's best to fix the little mistakes everyone makes.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 15, 2007 19:19:40 GMT -5
Well its not really, until you realize that you believe both at the same time. huh? Well I believe there is a reason for anything that happens, yet I know that we are all free to do what we choose...I believe that on *some* level there is a plan, even if that plan is just a direction.
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Post by wren on Feb 15, 2007 19:33:18 GMT -5
I don't believe in predestination. I don't see a great plan... who is planning this, if you don't believe in a supreme being? I think we are responsible for all we do and we choose the path we take or do not take.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 16, 2007 17:53:52 GMT -5
I don't believe in predestination. I don't see a great plan... who is planning this, if you don't believe in a supreme being? I think we are responsible for all we do and we choose the path we take or do not take. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I persoanly don't believe in a supreme being, I see the cosmos/universe as the supreme being i.e. deity. I feel that while the universe expands and evolves ever outward and quests just as we do, that it is "in us and all around us" to quote the Gnostic gospels
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Post by wren on Feb 17, 2007 21:13:11 GMT -5
What I am saying is that I do not believe in a Supreme Being that predestines our lives. We are responsible for all we do. We cannot blame some greater force for the path our lives take or do not take... IMO.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 17, 2007 22:17:38 GMT -5
What I am saying is that I do not believe in a Supreme Being that predestines our lives. We are responsible for all we do. We cannot blame some greater force for the path our lives take or do not take... IMO. Oh I agree...And I disagree...Told you it was a contradiction. To me the force of creation is a supreme being. However, we ARE that force of creation, or at least it is within us as it is everything else. As you say we are each responsible for our actions, however we create those actions and reactions. That to me is what Amergin meant when he said "I am the god who fashions the edges" and I think it what the Gallic Druids meant when they told the Greeks and Romans that it was they who had created the world.
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Post by lhuebner on Feb 18, 2007 0:05:31 GMT -5
As for the rule of three.....I believe the proper wiccan belief is not that what you put out comes back to you threefold. It's that it will come back in one of three ways. Hell if I can remember for certain what those are. Don't much care either.
As for the idea of predestination.....I believe that while nothing is truely predetermined there ia a sorta guildline for everyones lives. Is this due to diety or the natural dance of the cosmos? I have no clue. I believe if you follow your instincts you will stay happily on the path you are meant to be on. (it probably wont be all sunshine and light but it is the way it's meant to be) If you ignore your instincts then you wander away from that pathway and will no longer be doing the things you were truely meant for. Which may mean not learning the lessons of this life you were supposed to learn. So we always have a choice even though there is a plan of sorts. Well thats my little theory on it anyways.
(Yeah I can see the contradiction John. My belief manages to encompass free will and destiny at the same time as well lol)
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Post by KittyLane on Feb 18, 2007 0:25:21 GMT -5
This leads us to the question, does the Threefold Law apply to everyone, even if they do not believe in it? Looking at other religions, one is somewhat surprised to find that in most belief systems there seems to be some kind of karma theory. From "You reap what you sow" to "Every action has an equal but opposite reaction" to "You get what you give." They all seem very similar, differing only in the amount of energy that gets returned, whether one is Wiccan, Christian, Hindu, or a follower of Science and its laws. When it comes down to it though, does it really matter whether the Threefold Law applies to people besides Wiccans? Ideally we should focus on our own actions, instead of analyzing and making a fuss about other people's! Like our perceptions of the Divine, it is my belief that the concept of karma chiefly should fill the role of giving Justice÷not retribution or vengeance. section from article. www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usxx&c=teen&id=3784
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 18, 2007 0:41:36 GMT -5
As for the rule of three.....I believe the proper wiccan belief is not that what you put out comes back to you threefold. It's that it will come back in one of three ways. Hell if I can remember for certain what those are. Don't much care either. Wait a second.. Are you going to preach the "Proper Wiccan Belief" to us or not? If you are going to start off a statement that way, you for damned sure better be able to deliver with it.... Don't Start wobbling after you've so eloquently Decided to Educate us all on what that "Proper" Belief would be...
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