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Post by Senbecc on Feb 18, 2007 5:18:09 GMT -5
The law of karma underpins the process of transmigration of the soul. Karma literally means "action," but more often refers to the accumulated reactions to activities. Thus we talk of "good karma" and "bad karma," which are stored reactions that gradually unfold to determine our unique destiny. The self-determination and accountability of the individual soul rests on its capacity for free choice. This is exercised only in the human form. Whilst in lower species, the atman takes no moral decisions but is instead bound by instinct. Therefore, although all species of life are subject to the reactions of past activities, such karma is generated only while in the human form. Human life alone is a life of responsibility. The Bhagavad-gita categorises karma, listing three kinds of human actions: (1) Karma: those which elevate, (2) Vikarma: those which degrade and (3) Akarma: those which create neither good nor bad reactions and thus lead to liberation. hinduism.iskcon.com/concepts/103.htmLoL, you know, given what I've seen posted by you and Lala I wonder why I never used Karma as another example in my Wicca and Druidry thread. Way to keep the seprate Wiccan cultures seperate guys. Its good to see!
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 18, 2007 5:31:15 GMT -5
The Karmic beliefs that I posted were more along the lines of the Shamanic Viewpoint, but, it was fun to be able to compare and contrast the different ideas... It is possible to disagree without flaming or belittling people, Kitty and I did a good job of showing that tonight.... Yay for us... Give us Cookies now....
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Post by KittyLane on Feb 18, 2007 11:33:13 GMT -5
The Karmic beliefs that I posted were more along the lines of the Shamanic Viewpoint, but, it was fun to be able to compare and contrast the different ideas... It is possible to disagree without flaming or belittling people, Kitty and I did a good job of showing that tonight.... Yay for us... Give us Cookies now.... yum cookies. make sure mine are organic and homemade please!
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 18, 2007 22:51:30 GMT -5
As for the rule of three.....I believe the proper wiccan belief is not that what you put out comes back to you threefold. It's that it will come back in one of three ways. Hell if I can remember for certain what those are. Don't much care either. Wait a second.. Are you going to preach the "Proper Wiccan Belief" to us or not? If you are going to start off a statement that way, you for damned sure better be able to deliver with it.... Don't Start wobbling after you've so eloquently Decided to Educate us all on what that "Proper" Belief would be... I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin.
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Post by lhuebner on Feb 19, 2007 2:12:12 GMT -5
Wait a second.. Are you going to preach the "Proper Wiccan Belief" to us or not? If you are going to start off a statement that way, you for damned sure better be able to deliver with it.... Don't Start wobbling after you've so eloquently Decided to Educate us all on what that "Proper" Belief would be... I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin. Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly?
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 2:50:50 GMT -5
I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin. Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly? Wow... Attitude much... And, No... As far as I'm concerned... It's still hear say... Can we have some documentation on this? You did come in here with wanting to educate us all about the "Proper Wiccan" Belief on things... Well, I'm asking that you deliver... I want to see some sources...
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 3:04:08 GMT -5
I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin. Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly? Is there a source, other than taking someone's word for it?
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 3:07:47 GMT -5
I agree, you can't just make a claim of this sort, i.e. claim something to be the proper Wiccan belief then simply not deliver any proof to back the claim up. Especially since Karma is an Eastern philosophy as has been shown by Kitty and Lala. In short if you don't have the material needed to back a claim...Then don't make the claim. These boards are a place for scholarly discussion, not here say. Admin. Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly? The problem I have with this, is that we have no proof anyone is a third degree Wiccan, only your word, and theirs. Unless there is some documented proof that this is infact how Wicca uses the three-fold law, then I see no reason to feel their word is any better than all the work and the sources I've seen posted on this thread.
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Post by lhuebner on Feb 19, 2007 3:26:07 GMT -5
Ok. So after talking to a few people I have found that there is in fact two schools of thought on the threefold law. One having already been discussed here and the other being that what you put out will come back in three possible ways. On the physical, spiritual and astral planes. That would be the three I wasn't sure of before. Is everyone happy now? We can all be correct. That was straight from the mouth of a 3rd degree wiccan. Does that qualify as scholarly? The problem I have with this, is that we have no proof anyone is a third degree Wiccan, only your word, and theirs. Unless there is some documented proof that this is infact how Wicca uses the three-fold law, then I see no reason to feel their word is any better than all the work and the sources I've seen posted on this thread. I'm not saying it's any better or more accurate but it is another school of thought that it used and the person I spoke to isn't where I first heard this theory so it's not something they just made up. No one has to take my word for anything. I think I made it clear from the start that I am not in fact wiccan and for the most part could care less about their belief system. Do we only post info that anyone can find in numerous websites here? Does being the first thing to pop up in a google search make something truth? It's not how I find my truth.
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 3:30:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's any better or more accurate but it is another school of thought that it used and the person I spoke to isn't where I first heard this theory so it's not something they just made up. No one has to take my word for anything. I think I made it clear from the start that I am not in fact wiccan and for the most part could care less about their belief system. Do we only post info that anyone can find in numerous websites here? Does being the first thing to pop up in a google search make something truth? It's not how I find my truth. No, finding it on a website does not automatically make it true, but, then again, No one else here came into the thread throwing around statements about what the "Proper Wiccan" Beliefs were.. You did that.. There fore, I am asking for proof, sources, documentation of some kind... Or, you can with draw your previous statement about it being the "proper wiccan" belief
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Post by lhuebner on Feb 19, 2007 3:36:25 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's any better or more accurate but it is another school of thought that it used and the person I spoke to isn't where I first heard this theory so it's not something they just made up. No one has to take my word for anything. I think I made it clear from the start that I am not in fact wiccan and for the most part could care less about their belief system. Do we only post info that anyone can find in numerous websites here? Does being the first thing to pop up in a google search make something truth? It's not how I find my truth. No, finding it on a website does not automatically make it true, but, then again, No one else here came into the thread throwing around statements about what the "Proper Wiccan" Beliefs were.. You did that.. There fore, I am asking for proof, sources, documentation of some kind... Or, you can with draw your previous statement about it being the "proper wiccan" belief How about I modify that statement to be..."another wiccan view of the threefold law is that things come back to you on 3 levels. Physical, spiritual and astral." I think I've pretty much said that already here but if the word proper offends then I certainly apologize for the use of that word.
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Post by Senbecc on Feb 19, 2007 3:38:41 GMT -5
The problem I have with this, is that we have no proof anyone is a third degree Wiccan, only your word, and theirs. Unless there is some documented proof that this is infact how Wicca uses the three-fold law, then I see no reason to feel their word is any better than all the work and the sources I've seen posted on this thread. I'm not saying it's any better or more accurate but it is another school of thought that it used and the person I spoke to isn't where I first heard this theory so it's not something they just made up. No one has to take my word for anything. I think I made it clear from the start that I am not in fact wiccan and for the most part could care less about their belief system. Do we only post info that anyone can find in numerous websites here? Does being the first thing to pop up in a google search make something truth? It's not how I find my truth. A serious study, which is what we do here requires sources. I don't think anyone has asked you to look into "the first thing that pops up on google" they have more over asked you, or the person in question to cite their source. Wiccan Karma as I have come to understand it encompasses the Buddhist belief that everything we do will be revisited. Now, if one acts on a physical plain, then yes, the revisited energy returns on that plain, spiritual, the it returns on the spiritual so on and so fourth. For a source you can look at some of the posts here on this thread, and on various other boards here. The problem is that isn't what you or your friend is saying. You are saying it is an entirely different school of thought which says if I cast a naughty spell I might get hit by a bus, and I'd like to know what comic book that was pulled from?
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Post by rowanashmore on Feb 19, 2007 3:49:12 GMT -5
See this is why im not wiccan. That damn threefold law makes people fiesty
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Post by Lady Anastasia on Feb 19, 2007 3:54:14 GMT -5
See this is why im not wiccan. That damn threefold law makes people fiesty haha!! You make me feisty!
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Post by lhuebner on Feb 19, 2007 3:55:09 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's any better or more accurate but it is another school of thought that it used and the person I spoke to isn't where I first heard this theory so it's not something they just made up. No one has to take my word for anything. I think I made it clear from the start that I am not in fact wiccan and for the most part could care less about their belief system. Do we only post info that anyone can find in numerous websites here? Does being the first thing to pop up in a google search make something truth? It's not how I find my truth. A serious study, which is what we do here requires sources. I don't think anyone has asked you to look into "the first thing that pops up on google" they have more over asked you, or the person in question to cite their source. Wiccan Karma as I have come to understand it encompasses the Buddhist belief that everything we do will be revisited. Now, if one acts on a physical plain, then yes, the revisited energy returns on that plain, spiritual, the it returns on the spiritual so on and so fourth. For a source you can look at some of the posts here on this thread, and on various other boards here. The problem is that isn't what you or your friend is saying. You are saying it is an entirely different school of thought which says if I cast a naughty spell I might get hit by a bus, and I'd like to know what comic book that was pulled from? Serious study huh? I'm not trying to be rude here but it does seems if all you have is serious study (and of course pudding) here and no room for actual thought or maybe actual practice then I will simply refrain from posting. I will read the serious study materials and look elsewhere for anything with original thought. Obviously you gave no thought to what I posted because it's not any more rediculous than the idea that what you put out somehow grows to exactly 3 times what it was and comes back to you. It's not my beliefs anyway, but it is someones belief and it seems odd that you of all people John would poke fun at anyones beliefs. Well back to my reading now. Y'all have fun k?
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