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Post by stormcat on Aug 3, 2006 22:57:55 GMT -5
I'm interested in everyones opinion about the current Middle East conflict. The media has reported that Christians world wide are preparing for the Second coming of Christ. The Jews seem to be less sure, they seem to have adopted a wait and see attitude. I personally have no feelings of trepidation. Just wondering!>^..^<
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Post by ihrian on Aug 4, 2006 6:22:15 GMT -5
what IS the second coming of christ, exactly? i havnt heard anyhting bout it...
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Post by wren on Aug 4, 2006 11:18:57 GMT -5
Ihrian, Christians believe that Christ will come again sometime in the future. He promised to do just that, bringing the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth.
Stormcat, I find it arrogant to believe they can decide for themselves when Christ will return. Forcing His hand in this, as if they could even do so, is telling Him what to do. Playing with peoples lives, more like it. It shows a very poor understanding of what is happening in the Middle East right now as well. However, it is not Christians in general who are approaching this conflict as something they can manipulate toward the Second Coming. That is a more radical fundamentalist view of a few, rather than a general Christian view.
I just watched a documentary on the Mayan calendar and their doomsday prediction (12/21/2012) last night. I find all of the predictions of prophets and religions interesting but not necessarily 'written in stone' (pardon the pun). I think they all represent a possible course and we can head straight for it or choose another way. I also believe such cultures saw these things from an insular perspective.
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Post by moonwind333 on Aug 4, 2006 17:47:28 GMT -5
If it is the End Times ... we pagans are gonna have some extra elbow room soon!
OK, OK ... couldn't resist! Since I regard the Bible as a work of fiction (though a good one), I don't believe in the End Times ... especially since we have been in the End Times since the week after "Jesus died". There have been wars in the Middle East since "Start of Times" and we are all still here, so I think I'll join the Jews and just wait and see.
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 5, 2006 9:16:03 GMT -5
I'm interested in everyones opinion about the current Middle East conflict. The media has reported that Christians world wide are preparing for the Second coming of Christ. The Jews seem to be less sure, they seem to have adopted a wait and see attitude. I personally have no feelings of trepidation. Just wondering!>^..^< "Though fire and water can and will at times prevail, there will be another life beyond this one, and we Druids will create that one as well." -Searls O'Dubhain Void, chaos, and order are the Triads of exisence he goes on to explain what they mean when he says: "VOID>birth/creation/activity > CHAOS>identification/perfection/preservation> ORDER>entropy/decay/destruction> The VOID exists between destruction and birth. CHAOS lives between activity and identification. ORDER is the realization of a need to preserve that which is perfectly itself, while it is also the stopping point of creation and the beginning of entropy and decay, which leads to destruction and the VOID. These triads are the phases in the lives of humans and worlds, as well as universes and gods. I would not be surprised to see an atom or an electron, even a quark, behaving in this manner. Even civilisations seem to experience this type of metamorphosis." As is stated by the article, all life seems to mimic it's self. Life, evolution, birth, re-birth, death etc. Worlds can and do at times follow the examples made by their life forms as nothing can exist forever.
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Post by stormcat on Aug 5, 2006 22:09:01 GMT -5
I found humorous the reporters interview with the Jewish man. She asked him what he would say to the Messiah. He said "I'd ask him if this was the first coming or the second coming, I'll go from there!" I don't know how many know that the Jews did not regard Jesus as the Messiah. So for him to say this was funny, it's a covering all bets situation. I've read that a serious world threatening situation would begin in 2010. Pretty close to the Mayan prediction. Maybe it's when all the oil runs out! >^..^<
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 6, 2006 9:32:40 GMT -5
I found humorous the reporters interview with the Jewish man. She asked him what he would say to the Messiah. He said "I'd ask him if this was the first coming or the second coming, I'll go from there!" I don't know how many know that the Jews did not regard Jesus as the Messiah. So for him to say this was funny, it's a covering all bets situation. I've read that a serious world threatening situation would begin in 2010. Pretty close to the Mayan prediction. Maybe it's when all the oil runs out! >^..^< I'm afraid I'll agree with the Jewish man too for now...I just don't think our time is at hand just yet, then again who knows...I'm not quite ready to brush the dust off my bible just yet....Though I must admit if were to wake up and look out my window and find four horsemen I would definately need to rethink my plans for the day...
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Post by flowerfaeryqueen on Aug 6, 2006 13:45:43 GMT -5
well, i read a book about really strict kinda evil christians in 16th century london. they acted as if jesus was coming right the next day and were kind of psychotic in their "making-everything-perfect-for-when-jesus-comes-or-everyone-will-go-to-hell" attitude.
i dont think that happens much now, though
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Post by bran_sinnach on Aug 6, 2006 14:14:11 GMT -5
I personally disagree with the Christian view on the end of the world, I do not believe that the Creator (or in my case, creators) are going to just blow the world to bits, or even just wipe the world clean, for any reason. I do, however, acknowledge that all things do follow a similar pattern and that eventually this world will wind down and come to an end. But, to quote Stephen King's Gunslinger, "There are other worlds than these." And as to mankind specifically? I think our end, when and if it comes, will more than likely be by our own hands rather than that of any deity. As Einstein said, "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know that if there is ever a World War IV it will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Post by stormcat on Aug 7, 2006 17:08:11 GMT -5
Quite a quote from Einstein! Maybe that's how we should be fighting now!!! It appears the Israeli's are trying to secure certain towns controlled by the terrorists. Mayhaps that's to be the end of this flare up. Well, what can be said, if it's the end it's the end. I've read all the "Left Behind" books, they do put a fear into your heart. I just can't go with the second coming, not if my faith is strong enough in my beliefs. I do not deny the inevitable WWIII. It seems we thrive on death and destruction. >^-.-^<
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shaamansu
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Post by shaamansu on Aug 8, 2006 15:32:12 GMT -5
The 2012 thing being sung high and low right now. Hard to say. But the peoples of the world (or people who thot they knew) have cried wolf one to many hundreds of times....lol....so it is a little hard to get fired up about it. I do worry about WWIII thing and all the countries with nuclear capabilities of one sort or the other and we are certainly playing with fire there, but something will happen...just don't know quite what or when.
For me the jury is still out.
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Post by nevyn on Aug 8, 2006 18:47:07 GMT -5
When I was younger, I watched a documentary on Nostradamus. I became convinced that the world was going to end before I died, because he said it was so. It frightened the stuffing out of me, partly because I was Catholic and the good ol' sin guilt reared it's ugly head. I sure didn't want to go to "hell" if the world as we know it ended. Now I'm still convinced that we probably won't see the next century (not the way that Man has been destroying Mother Earth and each other in the middle east, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.), but I'm no longer frightened. I now know that there are "other worlds" out there (and not just because I've read the Gunslinger series too! ) and that I've probably even been there (to one of them!) before.
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Post by wren on Aug 9, 2006 15:13:30 GMT -5
For me, I don't think the end of 'this time' is the end of all time. Makes no sense, if you believe time is a spiral.
In the event I'm wrong, Moonwind, party is at my house!
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Post by stormcat on Aug 9, 2006 17:38:27 GMT -5
Be just our luck to get Bush out and an even worse catastrophe will occur! I hope the extremists don't start killing themselves again. This type of blather seems to bring out the worst in them. >^..^<
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 10, 2006 7:06:06 GMT -5
Be just our luck to get Bush out and an even worse catastrophe will occur! I hope the extremists don't start killing themselves again. This type of blather seems to bring out the worst in them. >^..^< If only they would give us somebody worth voting for...The USA is aching for an actual leader...As opposed to another damn politian...IMHO.
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