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Post by Lady Anastasia on Aug 25, 2006 15:43:25 GMT -5
Just kind of bouncing around in here, this is quite an interesting topic.....
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 30, 2006 21:32:37 GMT -5
Ha, I just heard from the Senior Druid at the local grove. He said he doesn't have a problem with my "Eclectic Paganism." I got the feeling it wasn't ok and I'll probably be dropped from their contact list. He more or less said Eclecticism is bits and pieces from different areas and really isn't one of it's own. So I guess I'll ask to start an area here for us Eclectic rejects.  >^-.-^< Well we each have our concepts to out grow I suppose. Theres another topic I don't think we have a board for...Do you think Eclectic Paganism and Wicca should go under wicca and witchcraft or Hybrid Pagan paths? |
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Post by Senbecc on Aug 30, 2006 21:50:28 GMT -5
Just kind of bouncing around in here, this is quite an interesting topic..... And many welcomes to the topic! It seems to me that many have their preformed ideas of how a spiritual path must go. Though it seems to me the Celts didn't really have the same need to categorize things as we do here in the west. The Druids learned from all sources, undoubtedly helping to evolve and expand the Druidic ways. Druidcraft IMHO wouldn't be entirely different. |
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Post by Senbecc on Oct 27, 2006 9:37:04 GMT -5
Are they within reach? Can you slap them?...Then do it again just for good measure? I have the deepest respects for the path of Wicca, and I have the deepest respect for those who blend it with Druidry...Can you slap them though? Pretty please? ;D And, then, there's this... " However to some extent things can be compatible, for instance Wicca and Druidry, I know people that combine the two quite well - however this is more to do with Druidry the non-religious path (as in modern druidry was birthed from Christian druidry, and then a more Gardnerian influenced druidry, to the more Celtic now - with people picking and choosing the religion, and using Druidry as the interface), and Wicca as the religion." (my bold-face)  (quoted from www.pagan-network.org/forums/showthread.php?p=196585, in response to a question about the feasibility of studying two 'paths' simultaneously) I wonder if this is also the basis of the thinking behind druidcraft? I've never before heard druidry described as being from Christianity and Gardner, let alone in the same sentence! I have heard that *some* psudo-forms of Modern Druidry may have been infuenced by a friend of Gardners, but certainly not traditional Druidry as passed down by the remaining evidences and sources. There are many many "Druid" paths. Now Christianity maybe another story all together. |
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Post by wren on Oct 27, 2006 10:12:11 GMT -5
Perhaps this 'flexibility' is due to Druidry not being a religion at all. It is what it is and seems to be defined differently by all who follow it. Having studied a little bit of Wicca before coming to Druidry, I can see some overlap but the emphases of the two paths seem different enough to me that they don't fit together... for me. That they might for someone else interests me in just how they do it.
One of the things I cherish most in this path is that we are not out to 'convert' anyone. I know there are some who are unhappy about customs being usurped but, at the same time, at least those customs are being studied and discussed like never before!
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Post by Senbecc on Oct 27, 2006 10:38:29 GMT -5
Perhaps this 'flexibility' is due to Druidry not being a religion at all. It is what it is and seems to be defined differently by all who follow it. Having studied a little bit of Wicca before coming to Druidry, I can see some overlap but the emphases of the two paths seem different enough to me that they don't fit together... for me. That they might for someone else interests me in just how they do it. One of the things I cherish most in this path is that we are not out to 'convert' anyone. I know there are some who are unhappy about customs being usurped but, at the same time, at least those customs are being studied and discussed like never before! I have heard it said, and have come to believe that Traditional Druidry is in no way an eclectic path...It is simply a path born of Celtic tradition. On the other hand the texts give us examples of Druids who came to Ireland from Greece and other countries. I personally believe that these ways maybe from ancient Greek born Celts, though don't quote me on that. Wicca and Druidry are definitely two distinct paths, of this there is no doubt for those who have taken the time to understand both as you have. I have heard others say that Druidry and Wicca are somehow connected, then have an all out hissy when it is said that it isn't...Which is their prerogative I suppose, not my problem lol...Just seems like we're getting more and more "insta-Druids" out there due to philosophies like DruidCraft, or maybe it has nothing to do with DruidCraft at all...At least Com-Garr admits that there is a difference between the two. |
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Post by wren on Oct 27, 2006 10:56:24 GMT -5
'Insta-Druid'? Oxymoron that, isn't it? ;D
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Post by Senbecc on Oct 27, 2006 11:03:10 GMT -5
'Insta-Druid'? Oxymoron that, isn't it? ;D LoL just slightly  |
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Post by wren on Oct 27, 2006 11:15:21 GMT -5
Now I have this image in my mind... a little jar of dark powder that you mix with water, like instant coffee. *Poof* you're a druid!
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Post by Senbecc on Oct 27, 2006 11:26:27 GMT -5
Now I have this image in my mind... a little jar of dark powder that you mix with water, like instant coffee. *Poof* you're a druid! Well its very maddening. I have spent nearly 15 years (in all) working day and night to EARN my title of Druid...Then you hear someone who as a Wiccan only needs to study a year and a day to claim that title saying they're the same thing?  |
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Post by wren on Oct 27, 2006 11:46:29 GMT -5
That is one of the very things that drew me to the Druid path, the length of study and just what we study. I am also not crazy about the idea of magic being first and study second. In my way of thinking, that magic is an inherent part of everything, it is irresponsible to being tapping into it before you've done a great deal of work first. The magic is in the work itself for me.
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Post by Senbecc on Oct 28, 2006 9:58:02 GMT -5
That is one of the very things that drew me to the Druid path, the length of study and just what we study. I am also not crazy about the idea of magic being first and study second. In my way of thinking, that magic is an inherent part of everything, it is irresponsible to being tapping into it before you've done a great deal of work first. The magic is in the work itself for me. I think that is how most serious Druids feel on the subject actually. The knowledge is the magic, those who are not druids don't understand that years and years, of very hard work go into becoming and maintaining being a Druid. |
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Post by wren on Oct 28, 2006 10:06:34 GMT -5
Ah, well there is a vast difference between 'calling' yourself a Druid and 'being' a Druid. I still refer to myself as a student of Druidry. I am far from ready to say I have achieved that status.
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Post by Senbecc on Nov 1, 2006 11:41:12 GMT -5
Ah, well there is a vast difference between 'calling' yourself a Druid and 'being' a Druid. I still refer to myself as a student of Druidry. I am far from ready to say I have achieved that status. While I don't think of Pleny's 20 year study thing as a rule of any kind, I do think it has more to do with touching each of the 5 marks of a Druid. |
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Post by wren on Nov 1, 2006 11:45:40 GMT -5
Ah, well there is a vast difference between 'calling' yourself a Druid and 'being' a Druid. I still refer to myself as a student of Druidry. I am far from ready to say I have achieved that status. While I don't think of Pleny's 20 year study thing as a rule of any kind, I do think it has more to do with touching each of the 5 marks of a Druid. I've always considered the 'twenty year' ideal as the idea that the learning and studying and research never end. I don't think those who called themselves Druid a millenium ago stopped studying and growing in their knowledge. And, those 'five marks' would be? |
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