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Christ is My Druid
Copyright by Searles O'Dubhain
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This was actually two workshops that were held a week apart. We attempted to understand the import of St. Columba's (Columcille's) remark,
"Christ is my Druid."
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Celtic Workshop #29 - "Christ is My Druid/Part 1"
We attempted to find a common thread among the religions and Magicks of the Western Tradition. The apparently easy conversion of Druids to early Christianity was our starting point. In seeking out the underlying principles of Christian Magick, I hoped to uncover the techniques we require to perform Draíocht!
********* 10/17/94 9:59 PM Forum CO *********
O'Dubhain: These are the words of one of the most revered Saints in Celtic history. They are the words of St. Columba of the clan Ui Neil who established the Celtic Church in Scotland. These words inspired me to attempt tonight's Workshop. Before we begin, Hear the words of the Filidh! Hear the words of the royal house of Ui Neil! Hear the words of Columba of Iona, Saint of God!
From the book of Druidry by Ross Nichols, (Former Ard Druid of the OBOD):
"It is clear that Columcille identified the highest he knew as the Druidic, identifying it with Christ whilst repudiating superstitions:
'There is no "streod" that can tell our fate nor bird upon the bough nor trunk of gnarled oak.. I adore not the voices of birds nor Chance, nor the love of son or wife - my Druid is Christ, the Son of God.'
O'Dubhain: . The words used are 'mo drui, mac Dé' - 'my Druid, son of God' - which does not sound as though he were contrasting the two but identifying them." My point here is that the Druids actually looked forward to the coming of Christianity as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN. A little background on St. Columba.... Columba was born into the family of the O'Neils, the Kings of Ireland. He was the nephew and the uncle of a king and educated by a Druid. He embraced the new God with many of his Druid and Filidh brothers AND sisters. During the battle of Cuidremne (in Sligo) he sided against Diarmud, the pagan Ard Righ of Ireland. As a result of the battle he was exiled to the Scottish Isle of Iona. This island was a mixture of Druids, Culdean monks and priests. Iona built this monastery (and former Druid grove) into a base for Christianizing Western Scotland. This was done after proving his might in battle with still more Druids (he dispelled their winds and brought light into a Magical Darkness). Columba returned to Ireland on only one occasion, to render a verdict at Drimceatt when Aedh, the new Ard Righ, attempted to outlaw the Druid remnant or Filidh (the Druidic Poets). Columba's stature was such that his arguments for the poets saved their status and class from extinction.
O'Dubhain: Columba was trained by a Druid and was not above using Druid magicks to further his interests. In fact, he used them in overcoming the magicians of the Pictish king, Brude. The early Christian saints engaged in many magical battles with Magicians and Druids. St. Patrick had many battles with the Druids of the Irish king .
O'Dubhain: Many of the Irish Druids converted to Christianity easily because Christian beliefs and teachings of the Celtic church were very similar to those that they espoused themselves. In fact, the birth of Christ was an often repeated saga in Celtic tradition. This is usually referred to as the Mabon/Modron cycle. There are many similarities between the life of Christ, Finn, and Cuchulainn. Each of these men has a mystical beginning. His mother is impregnated by a "God" As a child he is hunted by those in authority. He is also very precocious. There are many miracles and superhuman feats associated with each of these men. Cuchulainn and Finn chose the path of the Warrior while Christ chooses the path of the Priest. Each of these men is Druidic in his knowledge and his ability to be surrounded by light when working magic.
O'Dubhain: Speaking of magic, is this a modern idea? What did the Celts of Old think about Christ and his Magicks?
I call on Taliesin, greatest of Bards! Come to my aid! Speak the Truth that is Eternal! Bear witness to the Magicks of Mabon:
Primary chief poet Am I to Elfin. And my native country Is the place of the Summer Stars.
John the Divine called me Merlin, but all future kings Shall call me Taliesin.
I was nine full months in the womb of the hag Ceridwen. Before that I was Gwion, but now I am Taliesin.
I was with my king In the heavens when Lucifer fell into the deepest hell.
I carried the banner Before Alexander.
I know the names of the stars from the North to the South.
I was in Caer Bedion Tetragammaton.
I accompanied Heon to the vale of Hebron.
I was in the canon when Absalom was slain.
I was in Llys Don before the birth of Gwydion.
I was patriarch to Elijah and Enoch.
I was there at the crucifixion of the merciful Mabon.
I was the foreman at the construction of Nimrod's Tower.
I was three times In the prison of Arianrhod.
I was in the ark With Noah and Alpha.
I witnessed the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra.
I was in Africa Before the building of Rome.
I came here To the remnant of Troy.
I was with the Lord In the manger of the ass.
I upheld Moses Through the water of Jordan.
I was in the sky (or, possibly, at the Cross) with Mary Magdalene.
I received the muse From Ceridwen's Cauldron.
I was a harping bard To Deon of Lochlin. I have gone hungry From the Maiden's Mabon.
I was at the White Mount in the court of Cynfelyn. In stocks and fetters for a year and a day.
I was in the larder in the land of the Trinity.
And no one knows whether my body Is flesh or fish.
I was instructor to the whole universe.
I shall be until the judgment On the face of the earth.
I have sat in the perilous seat above Caer Sidi.
I shall continue to revolve between the three elements.
There is not a marvel in the world which I cannot reveal.
O'Dubhain: This is the Translation of the "Hanes Taliesin" from "Taliesin and the Bardic Mysteries" by John Matthews. These are the words of a 5th Century Druidic Bard. This work is not fake. This is Truth. These are the words of a powerful spirit! This is no ordinary Bard or Poet. This is Taliesin the greatest of all Bards. This is he who can see all of time. This is he who knows the Greatest of Mysteries! The greatest of Bards has acknowledged the Magicks of Mabon, of the Christed One, of the One that is Always and Forever!
O'Dubhain: It is my point that Christ was considered to be a Deity on a par with other Celtic Deities. The Druids considered Him to be their Druid.
"The Basis of Christian Magick"
O'Dubhain: What are we to make of this revelation? Let me first quote from the works of the greatest Magician of this age:
"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law."
"Love is the law, love under will"
"Every man and woman is a star."
This is the basis of Magick as we currently know it. This Magick works and is alive. Let us see what the laws of Christian Magick are:
· "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and spirit."
· "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
· "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
· "Faith can move mountains."
Can anyone here see how these two different approaches are actually talking about the same things?
Nancy : Why OD, yes, I can see that. Simply approaching it from a different perspective.
O'Dubhain: Nancy> follow-up?
Nancy : Yes, simply that there are some quotes that you might also find interesting that illustrate the feminine ...I'm looking 'em up.. I'll beep you.
Boddhi : Love is attraction toward something mysterious, unknown. faith: belief (attraction) for things unseen?
O'Dubhain: I believe that faith in a magical sense is belief in "the Will".
O'Dubhain: It is the certainty of the Will and the projection of one's Will that causes Magick to happen. Boddhi... follow-up?
Boddhi : I agree. Focus of Will is important for me too.
Shadow Walker: Love is the foundation the force that joins that which has been seperated i.e. man & woman Human & God .
O'Dubhain: I'd like to add that Love and the dropping of barriers is what allows us as humans to more fully embrace our TRUE WILL. The True Will was called the Holy Guardian Angel by the early Thelemites.
Skylark: God & Shekinnah.
O'Dubhain: It is the conversation with one's True Will or Holy Guardian Angel that is the most important stage in becoming a Magician. This can be likened to opening up to the love of God/dess. Shadow Walker... followup?
Shadow Walker: I agree
Dave : OD, what qualifies you to lead this forum?
Shadow Walker: that the finding of ones calling or will is the most important aspect of a magicians work to is the purpose of being!
O'Dubhain: Well, Dave, The management of the forum asked me to lead this workshop about a year ago.... that's my job around here... do you have a question?
Dave : Just questioning.
O'Dubhain: Shadow Walker> Agreed! Dave> No problem.
Laura : It is very difficult to discover one's True Will.
O'Dubhain: ok... Nancy sorry Nancy hold a minute
Nancy : <g>
Shadow Walker: another sip here would be nice.
O'Dubhain: Laura> Yes... I agree... that is why becoming fully one's self and i.e. conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel is so important. This experience reunites our manifested being in this reality with our entire being on the higher planes and allows us to consider our purpose and will completely. The small amount of our being which is manifested in this plane cannot completely contemplate the greater realities.
O'Dubhain: I mention this point of similarity between Thelema and Christian Magicks to illustrate one central point that is common to Druids, Christ, Magick, Monks, and history. The point or thread that connects them all is EGYPT! ok... Nancy
Nancy : ok, a few of the woman speaking here.....about the Christian God (and magick) perhaps? My God, because you are so Good, I love You With all my Heart...and for Your Sake, I love my neighbor as myself. ok, OD>...I'm seein' this as a point of focus.....and then also, from Sirach... I will praise thy name continually and sing thy praise...my prayer will always be heard....and there, OD, focus. again..... I have more<g> Teasin'.
O'Dubhain: Nancy, I agree that the first step toward learning to work with the Greater Will is learning to reach out beyond one's own self to others.
O'Dubhain: This is the lesson of Love. "Love is the Law, Love Under Will"
Nancy : OD, I agree.
O'Dubhain: I'm sure that the Druids had a better way of saying this but they didn't leave any written messages.
O'Dubhain: ok... Boddhi had a comment... then Shadow Walker had two comments... then Boddhi had a question... whew! Boddhi!
Boddhi : Is there a similarity between the Magi that taught Moses and the Bards, the Old testament Prophets and the bards?
O'Dubhain: Boddhi that is my feeling. In my opinion, since the Celts migrated all through the Mediterranean from about 300 BCE and before, (Hyksos came through Egypt around 13th century BCE....O'D - add-a-note!<G>)
Boddhi : All make beautiful music.
O'Dubhain: They are said to have intermarried with the Hyksos of Egypt about the time of Moses. In fact, I've seen one author suggest that Moses was a "Hyksos" and not a Jew! He went to live with the Midionites during his exile.
O'Dubhain: It is in the land of the "Sea Peoples" that Moses learns his magic and meets his god. The Celts/Hyksos did not pursue the fleeing Jews from Egypt. In fact, they left and migrated toward Spain at about the time of Ramses the Second.
O'Dubhain: These are the people that the great Druid/Bard Amergin descended from. So I guess you could say that the Egyptian desert Magick is at the basis of Druidic Magick. Boddhi, follow-up?
Shadow Walker: what I see here is love as mechanisim as in the Egyptian asumption of god forms. I love my god/dess I become my god/dess I do the work of my god/dess as s/he would.
O'Dubhain: True! Whether we call this God, "True Will", Goddess, or Magick it's all the same thing. SW.... follow-up?
Laura : Christ said.. Know ye not that ye are sons and daughter of the most high. Translation Every man and woman is a star.
O'Dubhain: Laura> absolutely!
Skylark: Yes, that I was just reading the other day, that Dion Fortune credits Jethro the Midianite (Moses' father in law) and the Midianites w with teaching him magic. If I have the characters straight.
O'Dubhain: Skylark> That may have been where I read about Moses and the Midianites... thanks <G> When the idea that Christ might be someone's Druid first came to my attention, I asked myself this question, "If it took 20 years to be a Druid then that would mean that one could not actually start being a Druid until about the age of 30..." In the bible we are told that Jesus was precocious in the Temple, showing wisdom beyond his years and then he vanishes for 20 years! <G> What DO you suppose he was doing? Where was he studying? What was he learning to do? Perhaps he was learning Magicks and personal development in a fashion similar to that of the Druids
Some people suggest that he studied in India during the "lost years". Others say that he came to England with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea. There is other evidence that he may have been an Essene, a mystical cult of the desert. I personally think he would have gone to study in Alexandria which was the center of learning for the entire ancient world. It is also my opinion that the Druids were no strangers to the Library of Alexandria. They spoke and read Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. and taught that in their schools or "bangors". I'd like to cover additional topics about this subject in the next workshop. In particular: Coptic Magical Practices based on the early Gnostic literature and the Nag Hammadi text.
I would also like to get into a connection between the Holy Grail, Druids, and the family of Jesus. Some additional topics I would like to cover in detail next time are the relationships between the Phoenicians, Fomorii, Firbolgs, Canaanites, and other Sea Peoples. It is my belief that these Sea Peoples promoted the spread of knowledge and Magick via their trade routes during this particular period of history. I'd like to wind up this workshop for tonight... any additional questions or comments or otherwise...
O'Dubhain: Just to sum it all up... It's never been very hard for me to think of Moses or Jesus as being the Druid type. Both these men have the wisdom, Magick, and strength of Will/Love to change the world. Such is the case with Druids. In fact, Merlin and Taliesin would probably not mind Charlton Heston portraying them in a movie <GGG>
Boddhi : <vbg>
O'Dubhain: Anyway....back to the book! <GGG> Thanks to everyone for coming... Whoops! Missed the comment by Skylark!
Skylark: Do you think those two (Merlin and Taliesin) will ever be as widely recognized as Moses and Jesus?
O'Dubhain: I think that they will be recognized more fully in the coming age
Boddhi : Thanks for seminar OD and thanks for reference sources in Library..
O'Dubhain: as each of us is individually empowered "to be a star".
Skylark: Thanks for an inspiring workshop!
O'Dubhain: It is the Power of the Individual that the New Age of religions will promote. Céad Míle Faíte!!! "100,000 Welcomes."
O'Dubhain: The Workshop is over...next week same time and place to continue our discussion of Christian/Drudic/Coptic/Gnostic/Thelemic Magick!
********* 10/18/94 7:54 AM Forum CO *********
Celtic Workshop #30 - "Christ is My Druid", Part 2
Copyright Geimhreadh, 1994, Searles O'Dubhain, All Rights reserved
The Egyptian Connection
I tried to show that Celtic Magick and tradition is very eclectic due to the many travels of the Celts themselves. The Druids studied the techniques of the Coptics as well as the Egyptians. I attempted to show how this could have been so by analyzing genealogies as well as Coptic Magical techniques.
********* 10/24/94 10:01 PM Forum - Workshop/Seminar *********
O'Dubhain: Tonight I thought we could finish up some points from last week.
Last week we discussed many topics in this forum. One of them was the possibility of Jesus being a Druid or at least of him following Druidic teachings.
O'Dubhain: Another topic was on early Christian (Coptic) Magicks and spells. Tonight I wanted to begin with a time line of the traditional history of the Irish.... following the line of the Milesians (the last tribe of Celts to invade Ireland). Here is the genealogy of Mile and Amergin the Druid... We start in Scythia many many years before the Common Era (BCE).
O'Dubhain: Feinus Farsaidh "King of Scythians" in Syria 1700 BCE Niall (Of the Laungages), m. Scota (Daughter of King of the Hyksos), Gadel, Esru, Sru, Eber Scott, Beogaman, Tat, Agnomon, Laimfionn, Eibhear, Gluinfhionn, Adhnon, Fionn, Feibric Glas (Ebric), Neanual, Nuadha Nuagatt (Niagatt), Alldod (Alluid), Earcada, Deagha (Deaghtha,) Bregon (Bratha), "The Son of fire" Bille, Mile, born 1060 BCE (Golamh), Amergin the Bard. The reason I bring this genealogy up is to pinpoint the whereabouts of the Gaels, [according to the Lebor Gabála] around the time of Exodus.
O'Dubhain: Also, I'd like to point out that Scota, the wife of Niall, was the daughter of the Hyksos King of Egypt, and that traditionally Niall "Of the Languages" was in Egypt at Alexandria to teach in the school there He was teaching the sailors of the Hyksos king to speak the languages of the seafaring nations of the Mediterranean. The wife of Mile is also called Scota and she is the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh. The Gaels migrated to Ireland around 1000 BCE. If one looks at this genealogy, a few pertinent facts are observable.
The Celts were in Egypt during the time of the Hyksos and therefore Exodus. They migrated from Egypt to Spain via the lands of the Mediterranean and North Africa (sorry we're so slow typing... trying to find out how to spell Mediterranean <G>)
O'Dubhain: In the genealogies that I have, at least two of the names are discernable as Druids during this period. These Druids are Cing, who lives at the time of Liam Fionn and Amergin, who is well known to us as one of the greatest bards of Ireland. Since the Exodus is placed somewhere around the timeframe of 1500 BCE and Moses was a member of the ruling family of Egypt at that time, it is not inconceivable that he would have had contact with the schools at Alexandria and the Celts.
O'Dubhain: As we discussed last week, Egypt is the land of Magick.
Marion&Jeremy: I was wondering then if you were assuming that Moses was an Egyptian rather than an Israelite? Or referring to his upbringing among the "royals."
Copyright by Searles O'Dubhain
These files may be downloaded by individuals for their own private viewing. No other duplication or use is implied, given or granted. All other rights are reserved and retained by the author.
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This was actually two workshops that were held a week apart. We attempted to understand the import of St. Columba's (Columcille's) remark,
"Christ is my Druid."
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Celtic Workshop #29 - "Christ is My Druid/Part 1"
We attempted to find a common thread among the religions and Magicks of the Western Tradition. The apparently easy conversion of Druids to early Christianity was our starting point. In seeking out the underlying principles of Christian Magick, I hoped to uncover the techniques we require to perform Draíocht!
********* 10/17/94 9:59 PM Forum CO *********
O'Dubhain: These are the words of one of the most revered Saints in Celtic history. They are the words of St. Columba of the clan Ui Neil who established the Celtic Church in Scotland. These words inspired me to attempt tonight's Workshop. Before we begin, Hear the words of the Filidh! Hear the words of the royal house of Ui Neil! Hear the words of Columba of Iona, Saint of God!
From the book of Druidry by Ross Nichols, (Former Ard Druid of the OBOD):
"It is clear that Columcille identified the highest he knew as the Druidic, identifying it with Christ whilst repudiating superstitions:
'There is no "streod" that can tell our fate nor bird upon the bough nor trunk of gnarled oak.. I adore not the voices of birds nor Chance, nor the love of son or wife - my Druid is Christ, the Son of God.'
O'Dubhain: . The words used are 'mo drui, mac Dé' - 'my Druid, son of God' - which does not sound as though he were contrasting the two but identifying them." My point here is that the Druids actually looked forward to the coming of Christianity as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN. A little background on St. Columba.... Columba was born into the family of the O'Neils, the Kings of Ireland. He was the nephew and the uncle of a king and educated by a Druid. He embraced the new God with many of his Druid and Filidh brothers AND sisters. During the battle of Cuidremne (in Sligo) he sided against Diarmud, the pagan Ard Righ of Ireland. As a result of the battle he was exiled to the Scottish Isle of Iona. This island was a mixture of Druids, Culdean monks and priests. Iona built this monastery (and former Druid grove) into a base for Christianizing Western Scotland. This was done after proving his might in battle with still more Druids (he dispelled their winds and brought light into a Magical Darkness). Columba returned to Ireland on only one occasion, to render a verdict at Drimceatt when Aedh, the new Ard Righ, attempted to outlaw the Druid remnant or Filidh (the Druidic Poets). Columba's stature was such that his arguments for the poets saved their status and class from extinction.
O'Dubhain: Columba was trained by a Druid and was not above using Druid magicks to further his interests. In fact, he used them in overcoming the magicians of the Pictish king, Brude. The early Christian saints engaged in many magical battles with Magicians and Druids. St. Patrick had many battles with the Druids of the Irish king .
O'Dubhain: Many of the Irish Druids converted to Christianity easily because Christian beliefs and teachings of the Celtic church were very similar to those that they espoused themselves. In fact, the birth of Christ was an often repeated saga in Celtic tradition. This is usually referred to as the Mabon/Modron cycle. There are many similarities between the life of Christ, Finn, and Cuchulainn. Each of these men has a mystical beginning. His mother is impregnated by a "God" As a child he is hunted by those in authority. He is also very precocious. There are many miracles and superhuman feats associated with each of these men. Cuchulainn and Finn chose the path of the Warrior while Christ chooses the path of the Priest. Each of these men is Druidic in his knowledge and his ability to be surrounded by light when working magic.
O'Dubhain: Speaking of magic, is this a modern idea? What did the Celts of Old think about Christ and his Magicks?
I call on Taliesin, greatest of Bards! Come to my aid! Speak the Truth that is Eternal! Bear witness to the Magicks of Mabon:
Primary chief poet Am I to Elfin. And my native country Is the place of the Summer Stars.
John the Divine called me Merlin, but all future kings Shall call me Taliesin.
I was nine full months in the womb of the hag Ceridwen. Before that I was Gwion, but now I am Taliesin.
I was with my king In the heavens when Lucifer fell into the deepest hell.
I carried the banner Before Alexander.
I know the names of the stars from the North to the South.
I was in Caer Bedion Tetragammaton.
I accompanied Heon to the vale of Hebron.
I was in the canon when Absalom was slain.
I was in Llys Don before the birth of Gwydion.
I was patriarch to Elijah and Enoch.
I was there at the crucifixion of the merciful Mabon.
I was the foreman at the construction of Nimrod's Tower.
I was three times In the prison of Arianrhod.
I was in the ark With Noah and Alpha.
I witnessed the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra.
I was in Africa Before the building of Rome.
I came here To the remnant of Troy.
I was with the Lord In the manger of the ass.
I upheld Moses Through the water of Jordan.
I was in the sky (or, possibly, at the Cross) with Mary Magdalene.
I received the muse From Ceridwen's Cauldron.
I was a harping bard To Deon of Lochlin. I have gone hungry From the Maiden's Mabon.
I was at the White Mount in the court of Cynfelyn. In stocks and fetters for a year and a day.
I was in the larder in the land of the Trinity.
And no one knows whether my body Is flesh or fish.
I was instructor to the whole universe.
I shall be until the judgment On the face of the earth.
I have sat in the perilous seat above Caer Sidi.
I shall continue to revolve between the three elements.
There is not a marvel in the world which I cannot reveal.
O'Dubhain: This is the Translation of the "Hanes Taliesin" from "Taliesin and the Bardic Mysteries" by John Matthews. These are the words of a 5th Century Druidic Bard. This work is not fake. This is Truth. These are the words of a powerful spirit! This is no ordinary Bard or Poet. This is Taliesin the greatest of all Bards. This is he who can see all of time. This is he who knows the Greatest of Mysteries! The greatest of Bards has acknowledged the Magicks of Mabon, of the Christed One, of the One that is Always and Forever!
O'Dubhain: It is my point that Christ was considered to be a Deity on a par with other Celtic Deities. The Druids considered Him to be their Druid.
"The Basis of Christian Magick"
O'Dubhain: What are we to make of this revelation? Let me first quote from the works of the greatest Magician of this age:
"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law."
"Love is the law, love under will"
"Every man and woman is a star."
This is the basis of Magick as we currently know it. This Magick works and is alive. Let us see what the laws of Christian Magick are:
· "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and spirit."
· "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
· "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
· "Faith can move mountains."
Can anyone here see how these two different approaches are actually talking about the same things?
Nancy : Why OD, yes, I can see that. Simply approaching it from a different perspective.
O'Dubhain: Nancy> follow-up?
Nancy : Yes, simply that there are some quotes that you might also find interesting that illustrate the feminine ...I'm looking 'em up.. I'll beep you.
Boddhi : Love is attraction toward something mysterious, unknown. faith: belief (attraction) for things unseen?
O'Dubhain: I believe that faith in a magical sense is belief in "the Will".
O'Dubhain: It is the certainty of the Will and the projection of one's Will that causes Magick to happen. Boddhi... follow-up?
Boddhi : I agree. Focus of Will is important for me too.
Shadow Walker: Love is the foundation the force that joins that which has been seperated i.e. man & woman Human & God .
O'Dubhain: I'd like to add that Love and the dropping of barriers is what allows us as humans to more fully embrace our TRUE WILL. The True Will was called the Holy Guardian Angel by the early Thelemites.
Skylark: God & Shekinnah.
O'Dubhain: It is the conversation with one's True Will or Holy Guardian Angel that is the most important stage in becoming a Magician. This can be likened to opening up to the love of God/dess. Shadow Walker... followup?
Shadow Walker: I agree
Dave : OD, what qualifies you to lead this forum?
Shadow Walker: that the finding of ones calling or will is the most important aspect of a magicians work to is the purpose of being!
O'Dubhain: Well, Dave, The management of the forum asked me to lead this workshop about a year ago.... that's my job around here... do you have a question?
Dave : Just questioning.
O'Dubhain: Shadow Walker> Agreed! Dave> No problem.
Laura : It is very difficult to discover one's True Will.
O'Dubhain: ok... Nancy sorry Nancy hold a minute
Nancy : <g>
Shadow Walker: another sip here would be nice.
O'Dubhain: Laura> Yes... I agree... that is why becoming fully one's self and i.e. conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel is so important. This experience reunites our manifested being in this reality with our entire being on the higher planes and allows us to consider our purpose and will completely. The small amount of our being which is manifested in this plane cannot completely contemplate the greater realities.
O'Dubhain: I mention this point of similarity between Thelema and Christian Magicks to illustrate one central point that is common to Druids, Christ, Magick, Monks, and history. The point or thread that connects them all is EGYPT! ok... Nancy
Nancy : ok, a few of the woman speaking here.....about the Christian God (and magick) perhaps? My God, because you are so Good, I love You With all my Heart...and for Your Sake, I love my neighbor as myself. ok, OD>...I'm seein' this as a point of focus.....and then also, from Sirach... I will praise thy name continually and sing thy praise...my prayer will always be heard....and there, OD, focus. again..... I have more<g> Teasin'.
O'Dubhain: Nancy, I agree that the first step toward learning to work with the Greater Will is learning to reach out beyond one's own self to others.
O'Dubhain: This is the lesson of Love. "Love is the Law, Love Under Will"
Nancy : OD, I agree.
O'Dubhain: I'm sure that the Druids had a better way of saying this but they didn't leave any written messages.
O'Dubhain: ok... Boddhi had a comment... then Shadow Walker had two comments... then Boddhi had a question... whew! Boddhi!
Boddhi : Is there a similarity between the Magi that taught Moses and the Bards, the Old testament Prophets and the bards?
O'Dubhain: Boddhi that is my feeling. In my opinion, since the Celts migrated all through the Mediterranean from about 300 BCE and before, (Hyksos came through Egypt around 13th century BCE....O'D - add-a-note!<G>)
Boddhi : All make beautiful music.
O'Dubhain: They are said to have intermarried with the Hyksos of Egypt about the time of Moses. In fact, I've seen one author suggest that Moses was a "Hyksos" and not a Jew! He went to live with the Midionites during his exile.
O'Dubhain: It is in the land of the "Sea Peoples" that Moses learns his magic and meets his god. The Celts/Hyksos did not pursue the fleeing Jews from Egypt. In fact, they left and migrated toward Spain at about the time of Ramses the Second.
O'Dubhain: These are the people that the great Druid/Bard Amergin descended from. So I guess you could say that the Egyptian desert Magick is at the basis of Druidic Magick. Boddhi, follow-up?
Shadow Walker: what I see here is love as mechanisim as in the Egyptian asumption of god forms. I love my god/dess I become my god/dess I do the work of my god/dess as s/he would.
O'Dubhain: True! Whether we call this God, "True Will", Goddess, or Magick it's all the same thing. SW.... follow-up?
Laura : Christ said.. Know ye not that ye are sons and daughter of the most high. Translation Every man and woman is a star.
O'Dubhain: Laura> absolutely!
Skylark: Yes, that I was just reading the other day, that Dion Fortune credits Jethro the Midianite (Moses' father in law) and the Midianites w with teaching him magic. If I have the characters straight.
O'Dubhain: Skylark> That may have been where I read about Moses and the Midianites... thanks <G> When the idea that Christ might be someone's Druid first came to my attention, I asked myself this question, "If it took 20 years to be a Druid then that would mean that one could not actually start being a Druid until about the age of 30..." In the bible we are told that Jesus was precocious in the Temple, showing wisdom beyond his years and then he vanishes for 20 years! <G> What DO you suppose he was doing? Where was he studying? What was he learning to do? Perhaps he was learning Magicks and personal development in a fashion similar to that of the Druids
Some people suggest that he studied in India during the "lost years". Others say that he came to England with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea. There is other evidence that he may have been an Essene, a mystical cult of the desert. I personally think he would have gone to study in Alexandria which was the center of learning for the entire ancient world. It is also my opinion that the Druids were no strangers to the Library of Alexandria. They spoke and read Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. and taught that in their schools or "bangors". I'd like to cover additional topics about this subject in the next workshop. In particular: Coptic Magical Practices based on the early Gnostic literature and the Nag Hammadi text.
I would also like to get into a connection between the Holy Grail, Druids, and the family of Jesus. Some additional topics I would like to cover in detail next time are the relationships between the Phoenicians, Fomorii, Firbolgs, Canaanites, and other Sea Peoples. It is my belief that these Sea Peoples promoted the spread of knowledge and Magick via their trade routes during this particular period of history. I'd like to wind up this workshop for tonight... any additional questions or comments or otherwise...
O'Dubhain: Just to sum it all up... It's never been very hard for me to think of Moses or Jesus as being the Druid type. Both these men have the wisdom, Magick, and strength of Will/Love to change the world. Such is the case with Druids. In fact, Merlin and Taliesin would probably not mind Charlton Heston portraying them in a movie <GGG>
Boddhi : <vbg>
O'Dubhain: Anyway....back to the book! <GGG> Thanks to everyone for coming... Whoops! Missed the comment by Skylark!
Skylark: Do you think those two (Merlin and Taliesin) will ever be as widely recognized as Moses and Jesus?
O'Dubhain: I think that they will be recognized more fully in the coming age
Boddhi : Thanks for seminar OD and thanks for reference sources in Library..
O'Dubhain: as each of us is individually empowered "to be a star".
Skylark: Thanks for an inspiring workshop!
O'Dubhain: It is the Power of the Individual that the New Age of religions will promote. Céad Míle Faíte!!! "100,000 Welcomes."
O'Dubhain: The Workshop is over...next week same time and place to continue our discussion of Christian/Drudic/Coptic/Gnostic/Thelemic Magick!
********* 10/18/94 7:54 AM Forum CO *********
Celtic Workshop #30 - "Christ is My Druid", Part 2
Copyright Geimhreadh, 1994, Searles O'Dubhain, All Rights reserved
The Egyptian Connection
I tried to show that Celtic Magick and tradition is very eclectic due to the many travels of the Celts themselves. The Druids studied the techniques of the Coptics as well as the Egyptians. I attempted to show how this could have been so by analyzing genealogies as well as Coptic Magical techniques.
********* 10/24/94 10:01 PM Forum - Workshop/Seminar *********
O'Dubhain: Tonight I thought we could finish up some points from last week.
Last week we discussed many topics in this forum. One of them was the possibility of Jesus being a Druid or at least of him following Druidic teachings.
O'Dubhain: Another topic was on early Christian (Coptic) Magicks and spells. Tonight I wanted to begin with a time line of the traditional history of the Irish.... following the line of the Milesians (the last tribe of Celts to invade Ireland). Here is the genealogy of Mile and Amergin the Druid... We start in Scythia many many years before the Common Era (BCE).
O'Dubhain: Feinus Farsaidh "King of Scythians" in Syria 1700 BCE Niall (Of the Laungages), m. Scota (Daughter of King of the Hyksos), Gadel, Esru, Sru, Eber Scott, Beogaman, Tat, Agnomon, Laimfionn, Eibhear, Gluinfhionn, Adhnon, Fionn, Feibric Glas (Ebric), Neanual, Nuadha Nuagatt (Niagatt), Alldod (Alluid), Earcada, Deagha (Deaghtha,) Bregon (Bratha), "The Son of fire" Bille, Mile, born 1060 BCE (Golamh), Amergin the Bard. The reason I bring this genealogy up is to pinpoint the whereabouts of the Gaels, [according to the Lebor Gabála] around the time of Exodus.
O'Dubhain: Also, I'd like to point out that Scota, the wife of Niall, was the daughter of the Hyksos King of Egypt, and that traditionally Niall "Of the Languages" was in Egypt at Alexandria to teach in the school there He was teaching the sailors of the Hyksos king to speak the languages of the seafaring nations of the Mediterranean. The wife of Mile is also called Scota and she is the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh. The Gaels migrated to Ireland around 1000 BCE. If one looks at this genealogy, a few pertinent facts are observable.
The Celts were in Egypt during the time of the Hyksos and therefore Exodus. They migrated from Egypt to Spain via the lands of the Mediterranean and North Africa (sorry we're so slow typing... trying to find out how to spell Mediterranean <G>)
O'Dubhain: In the genealogies that I have, at least two of the names are discernable as Druids during this period. These Druids are Cing, who lives at the time of Liam Fionn and Amergin, who is well known to us as one of the greatest bards of Ireland. Since the Exodus is placed somewhere around the timeframe of 1500 BCE and Moses was a member of the ruling family of Egypt at that time, it is not inconceivable that he would have had contact with the schools at Alexandria and the Celts.
O'Dubhain: As we discussed last week, Egypt is the land of Magick.
Marion&Jeremy: I was wondering then if you were assuming that Moses was an Egyptian rather than an Israelite? Or referring to his upbringing among the "royals."
