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Post by KittyLane on Apr 12, 2006 14:56:00 GMT -5
what are some "christian concepts" that you agree with, and use?
honesty is one i try to use.
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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 12, 2006 15:43:01 GMT -5
what are some "christian concepts" that you agree with, and use? honesty is one i try to use. Do unto others ... a universal concept that everyone should adopt. |
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Post by Marcus on Apr 12, 2006 16:49:49 GMT -5
Well i dont consider alot of my concepts as christian. But alot are similar to christian beliefs.
Honour your mother and your father. Family is very important to me. This also includes my ancestry.
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Post by Sojrn on Apr 12, 2006 17:00:11 GMT -5
The Golden Rule
He/She who has the gold, Rules! ;D
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Post by Pel on Apr 12, 2006 18:45:12 GMT -5
I drew myself up proudly. "Seeker, thou comest to me for an answer, and unto thee do I answer: The Golden Rule doesn't work. How would you like to meet a masochist who did unto others as he would have them do unto him? Or a worshiper of the Crocodile God, who craves the honor of being thrown alive into the pit? Even the Samaritan, who started the whole thing ... what made him think that the man he found lying at the roadside wanted to have oil poured in his wounds? What if the man was using those quiet moments to heal himself spiritually, enjoying the challenge of it?" I sounded convincing, to me.
"Even if the Rule was changed to Do unto others as they want to be done to, we can't know how anybody but ourselves wants to be done to. What the Rule means, and how we apply it honestly, is this: Do unto others as you truly feel like doing unto others. Meet a masochist with this rule and you do not have to flog him with his whip, simply because that is what he would want you to do unto him. Nor are you required to throw the worshiper to the crocodiles."
-Richard Bach
(I seem to be quoting him often these days)
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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 12, 2006 18:47:04 GMT -5
I drew myself up proudly. "Seeker, thou comest to me for an answer, and unto thee do I answer: The Golden Rule doesn't work. How would you like to meet a masochist who did unto others as he would have them do unto him? Or a worshiper of the Crocodile God, who craves the honor of being thrown alive into the pit? Even the Samaritan, who started the whole thing ... what made him think that the man he found lying at the roadside wanted to have oil poured in his wounds? What if the man was using those quiet moments to heal himself spiritually, enjoying the challenge of it?" I sounded convincing, to me. "Even if the Rule was changed to Do unto others as they want to be done to, we can't know how anybody but ourselves wants to be done to. What the Rule means, and how we apply it honestly, is this: Do unto others as you truly feel like doing unto others. Meet a masochist with this rule and you do not have to flog him with his whip, simply because that is what he would want you to do unto him. Nor are you required to throw the worshiper to the crocodiles." -Richard Bach (I seem to be quoting him often these days) Dot was a wampire. . . Bach! LOL That is why I left out the whole quote and just put in Do Unto Others ...  |
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Post by Newlyn on Apr 13, 2006 9:59:15 GMT -5
Turn the other cheek.
I try very hard to remain loving even when I'm being jacked around. Maybe I'm the masochist. LOL!
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Post by stormcat on Apr 13, 2006 10:16:14 GMT -5
I know this will probably be unpopular(getting used to it). I think the 10 Commandments are really something to live by. I know if you Bear false witness it'll come back to you. Coveting your neighbors wife can get you shot. Stealing can get you hard time, because money is valued by most over human life. Don't honour old mom and dad, your children will not value you either. That's just me though.>^..^<
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Post by KittyLane on Apr 13, 2006 10:54:29 GMT -5
except for the "No other gods before me"  |
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Post by moonwind333 on Apr 13, 2006 11:18:43 GMT -5
I agree with both stormcat and EK (lil suck up, ain't I). Seriously, if you leave the religious part out, the laws make sense. I think, for me, there are 8 that work as words to live by.
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Post by Newlyn on Apr 13, 2006 12:17:48 GMT -5
I guess I just hate rules.
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Post by Pel on Apr 13, 2006 12:37:37 GMT -5
I suppose that the "Holy Spirit" concept should be considered. It's the third aspect of the trinity. The Holy Spirit was sent to guide man after Christ ascended. In a practical sense, it's similar to a conscience. It does more than discern right and wrong, though. For me, the concept of the "Holy Spirit" is like the piece of the divine being within me. When a person is in tune with it, it's like touching the Logos. They can feel the life behind this world and see the paths that lead through it.
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Post by Newlyn on Apr 13, 2006 13:11:49 GMT -5
I suppose that the "Holy Spirit" concept should be considered. It's the third aspect of the trinity. The Holy Spirit was sent to guide man after Christ ascended. In a practical sense, it's similar to a conscience. It does more than discern right and wrong, though. For me, the concept of the "Holy Spirit" is like the piece of the divine being within me. When a person is in tune with it, it's like touching the Logos. They can feel the life behind this world and see the paths that lead through it. Hmmm. I've always thought that the Holy Spirit was more of a person. The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, has a will, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus www.cam.orgBut, I can see how you would be able to feel the Holy Spirit within you. |
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Post by Pel on Apr 13, 2006 15:35:17 GMT -5
It's hard to find many people to agree on just what exactly the Holy Spirit is. Within the Trinity, each aspect has its own identity. God is usually seen as the creator, and Jesus is known for his ministry. The Holy Spirit isn't as defined as either of them. Islam sees God as Allah, Jesus as a prophet, and claims the Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel. Judaism, well most Jews, doesn't see the Holy Spirit as separate and claims that it is the divine power that can fill men. Christianity itself is so fragmented that I doubt anyone could clearly define the Holy Spirit for the entire religion. I do hesitate to call the Holy Spirit a person, though. (these are my own personal beliefs and not a definitive illustration of any particular established view) Most people, IMHO, would see God as a white-haired old man sitting in the clouds, or liken him to Zeus, or even imagine him as a booming voice from the clouds. They'd probably also see Jesus as a long-haired, beared guy walking around the desert in sandals. Then you'd ask them to visualize the Holy Spirit ... and ....  Because of the limited information in the Bible actually pointing out the Holy Spirit, it's difficult for people to actually picture a person in their heads. I believe the Holy Spirit to be more a part of me than an outside entity, a feeling more than a person. It's one of the facets of mysticism I see in Christianity. The Holy Spirit is said to give "spiritual gifts" and "fruits of the spirit". The Fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (in Galatians). The Spirtual Gifts are listed in 3 separate books; they include things like audibly hearing God speak, casting out demons, speaking in tongues, having visions, healing, discernment, prophecy. There's no complete list given, just examples of gifts witnessed by the author. I know most of you might be thinking you've heard this all before, and maybe you have, but have you actually listened? A person having the ability to speak to a deity, cast evil away, communicate with someone no one else could, have dreams of the future, heal themselves or others without science, know the thoughts/feelings of someone else, and speak of events to come ... all these are very mystical in their own right. But once someone labels them as "Christian" then people think that they're somehow limited. Personally, I'm gifted with discernment and some prophecy. In this forum, they might be called clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, or even telepathy and precognition. It's basically the same thing with a different name. If someone either punches you in the face or hits you in the face, it'll still probably hurt. |
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Post by stormcat on Apr 13, 2006 20:06:12 GMT -5
I read somewhere once that the original "God", was a Jewish tribal god Yahweh. I also have seen some programing that the Jews picked up alot of Babylonian lore during their slavery. I guess they did alot of picking and choosing too.>^..^<
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