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Post by Marcus on Jul 6, 2006 17:14:13 GMT -5
Im saddened how this thread has gone.
Ardri shouldnt have made some of those comments especially on an majority American forum. They would just be considered jokes on a Euro forum. They where cheapshots.
BUT! if you look back to the beginning of the thread.....Ardris post was quite a strong post but it was not in any way inflamatory. He posted this thread in the rants section because it was a rant and he wanted to see how wiccans would answer his question. If he had posted that in the wiccan forum it would have been inflamatory.
When you look back on the first page of this thread you will see that it was not infact ArdRi that started the the downfall of what could have been a great thread.
poeple made chilish remarks such as "Pfffttttttt"
He was called a “whiner”
His beliefs where called “ridiculous”
Even after these insults against Ardri he responded to peoples remarks and points with “those are some good points” and tried to continue with his questions on Archtypes.
How can anyone say that it was all Ardris fault alone for what happened to this thread. When I read the first post I thought “great!! This will be an interesting discussion” then I read the remarks of other members and I must say I was saddened.
Im not saying i believe Ard ri should have reacted like that but i can sure as hell understand why he would.
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Post by raeven on Jul 6, 2006 18:44:39 GMT -5
Wow that explains everything.. hey everyone.. Ardi is a victem here. The very title of this thread could be seen as inflammatory. Disrespectful is what he called them.. he came out on the attack. I mean lets face it .. a rant is a opinion and full of words like .. I feel and my opinion etc.. you get my drift. If he can say ughh.. by gods i can say pffttt in return. And like it or not whining ... is whining. Is he the only one who is allowed to rant in this thread? Exactly why does he have that special priveledge and yet when we rant back at his rant on the rant board we are being mean to him? Good grief.. its absolutely laughable how obvious it is to most of the people here and yet.. not to Ardi.. or his savior. I tell you what.. I think I have very much found the wrong forum. Im so very sorry that there are people like Ardi in this world, who only judge and point their finger. Guess what .. its our heritage too. You think because we live here that anywhere past the ocean can't be counted in? Your living in a dream world. My family was sent over here with the rest of the Scots who fought against Bonnie Prince Charlie. We hail from the Clan Gunne.. cousins to the Kings of Scotland. Our clan was started by King Olaf the Black a notorious viking king. And this I all know because.. a university researched my family and traced our roots and travels back. I am also a card carrying native american. My heritage is very rich and diverse. And like my ancestors it offends me to the bone to be told what I have the right to believe in or do not. And Marcus I am so sorry but you have alot to learn in life.. don't chain yourself to that millstone. Your still young and you have time to learn NOT to be closeminded. It was nice meeting a few of you in here.. Senbecc you are welcome in my forum anytime. You have alot of knowledge and alot to offer any human who cares to learn.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 6, 2006 19:18:58 GMT -5
Great... Raevan, I shall miss you unless you change your mind. Marcus, you have every right to believe whatever you want, but you are wrong in this case and we are seeing the results of it. You are Irish, if I made insensitive Irish jokes and said, "that's just jokes in America" you would be insulted too. I know ... all the Irish are drunken idiots that can't get along with each other even though they are all the same color and background! Ahhh, that's just a joke here in America. Not fun, is it? (And I'm part Irish ... oh, except in Ardri's opinion since I wasn't BORN in Irland.) One person may now run off several ... I would rather see Ardri gone than Raevan or the others that may leave. He was rude from the very first post. (I read it, several times, he was rude and insensitive to others feelings.) If he had not wanted the reaction he received, why wasn't this posted in one of the Irish sections on the forum. Ardri wanted a fight and got it ... he has been a rude jackass in almost every post I have read, with his little asides of "if you don't like this, don't reply". Well, as far as I am concerned he need not reply to any thread on this board anywhere! There are Irish sections where this could be discussed without insult to 95% of the other posters. Thank you Ardri ... you have started the downward spiral .... congratulations, you have gotten what you wanted. And defend him all you wish, Marcus ... it was NOT an uninflammitory post, it was a slap in the face to many posters here. Once again, Wiccan's are crapped on!
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Post by stormcat on Jul 6, 2006 19:49:10 GMT -5
Stormcat slides out of the black Vortex...as bad as this has been, it's been a very invigorating ride. It's not often you meet someone with such strong opinionated ideas. Sorry I begged to keep this going Senbecc. I looked forward to this thread 2 times a day! I know I should have been more mature, but after the initial ire I wanted more, it was intoxicating. ;D Also I should have gotten the PMs since I fanned the flames, but I never even got one. So I hope Raeven returns and no one else leaves. I guess I'll go lurk elsewhere. >^..^<
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 6, 2006 20:08:29 GMT -5
Stormcat slides out of the black Vortex...as bad as this has been, it's been a very invigorating ride. It's not often you meet someone with such strong opinionated ideas. Sorry I begged to keep this going Senbecc. I looked forward to this thread 2 times a day! I know I should have been more mature, but after the initial ire I wanted more, it was intoxicating. ;D Also I should have gotten the PMs since I fanned the flames, but I never even got one. So I hope Raeven returns and no one else leaves. I guess I'll go lurk elsewhere. >^..^< DON'T YOU DARE GO LURK ELSEWHERE! I swear, if you do I will figure out a way to give you hives and acne and upset tummy all at the same time until you return and lurk here! GOT IT? ? ?
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Post by Marcus on Jul 7, 2006 3:38:11 GMT -5
I was just sharing my opinion. I didnt want to cause any trouble here. I dont want people to leave over something as small as this thread. Look all around the forum and see what has been created here. Can you really pass that all up because of one arguement? In any forum you go to if it becomes successful you will get new members who dont agree with all that is being said. Im not trying to defend Ardri. I know he shouldnt have said those things and i said that in my last post. I was just saying what some others said made things worse instead of better. If they had looked beyond his "rude and insensitive" comments, which i know people shouldnt have to do, you would see that behind it all there where questions that could have been answered and created a great discussion. I know im still young lol! I never said i was trying to be old. But i dont think i was being close minded. I siad that ard ri shouldnt have said what he said but also that some people (because some did answer his questions well) should have atleast tried to answer his questions. Isnt that trying to take a stand in the middle? Well i hear that all the time and it makes me laugh lol because in some cases its true! . But like you said its merily a joke. Why should i get all worked up about a joke?
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 7, 2006 3:44:18 GMT -5
Moonwind, I know you weren't suggesting I ban anyone. That is why I have chosen my global Mods as I have. We are the last people on the net who would ban anyone for their beliefs, as we have seen what can happen...We ARE what can happen.
That said I also agree that this isn't all Ardri's fault. Allot of people helped to fan the flames on this one. That is why I find these sorts of threads distasteful. They serve no other purpose than to tell others they are wrong, and someone else is right...Theres no room for discussion, and they always end up with some one being offended, and leaving the board. We can't really afford that.
This thread is the only thing anyone has against anyone. I feel that it should have been understood that this is an open Pagan board, and the initial post smoothed out a bit to fit that fact, by the same token the "you go girl" etc. post weren't really *scholarly* responses either.
It is for this reason, that I am going to outlaw these sorts of topics. Anyone who posts any sort of topic which can be construed as "I'm right and your wrong" had better either be VERY carefully worded, or expected to be locked. I simply see no need for them, we have each come together to expand and share our own understandings of spirit, there is no right or wrong here.
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Post by ardri79 on Jul 7, 2006 9:57:46 GMT -5
First off i would like to point out that I was invited here from myspace by senbec
second that markus asked me to post outside the Ct section
Third that I wouldnt set out to offend anyone out of respect to markus
I replied to everyone I could including you senbec. im sorry that you think growing up without hearing the legends, speaking the language and being from the living culture you read about wouldnt give you an advantage over growing up in America when studying the Gaelic gods.... but it does.
And thats why Searles O Dubhain spends his free time here
Ok well IM off then. Wont be back.
Sorry for stirring the wiccans Marcus
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 7, 2006 11:00:57 GMT -5
First off i would like to point out that I was invited here from myspace by senbec second that markus asked me to post outside the Ct section Third that I wouldnt set out to offend anyone out of respect to markus I replied to everyone I could including you senbec. im sorry that you think growing up without hearing the legends, speaking the language and being from the living culture you read about wouldnt give you an advantage over growing up in America when studying the Gaelic gods.... but it does. And thats why Searles O Dubhain spends his free time here Ok well IM off then. Wont be back. Sorry for stirring the wiccans Marcus Once again, "I'm better than you are!" ... na-na-na-na-na-na ... you are living with legends just as we are unless you have dinner with your gods on a daily basis, so get off your high horse. I got news for you, buddy boy, your gods are no different from ours and could be just as real or just as imaginary as any ... unless, of course, you do have dinner with them every day. I'm glad you are off and won't be back ... I hope that includes the PMs also. Just go to your profile and delete your account and you will be set! Yes, Sen, it is partially other's fault, too, for answering what I consider to be a troll, and it is my fault for not sending him to the dungeon as soon as I read his rude, condesending remarks to other members. But, this is mostly his fault for not "discussing the issue" ... he very much reminded me of RM in the way he dissed Wiccans and other pagans and that SHOULD BE a no-no on this forum. At least I hope so as we have already lost one productive member and I hope we don't loose more.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 7, 2006 11:05:36 GMT -5
First off i would like to point out that I was invited here from myspace by senbec second that markus asked me to post outside the Ct section Third that I wouldnt set out to offend anyone out of respect to markus I replied to everyone I could including you senbec. im sorry that you think growing up without hearing the legends, speaking the language and being from the living culture you read about wouldnt give you an advantage over growing up in America when studying the Gaelic gods.... but it does. And thats why Searles O Dubhain spends his free time here Ok well IM off then. Wont be back. Sorry for stirring the wiccans Marcus No one needs to leave PEOPLE! I do all of those things Ardri, I'm sorry you don't feel it's enough. I'm sorry you feel the way you do...And yes I did invite you and would do so again. One bad thread doesn't constitute a need to leave....But as always it is completely up to you...
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 7, 2006 11:08:27 GMT -5
I was hoping to be a better Admin. than this...There are times I suppose any action is the wrong action.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 7, 2006 11:18:41 GMT -5
I was hoping to be a better Admin. than this...There are times I suppose any action is the wrong action. You are NOT a bad Admin ... you are one of the best on the net! I sure know I have run into a few that could have taken lessons from you! So don't you dare go downing yourself! This is a learning process for us all and you are doing a fine job! So you just put your chin back up and remember that! This guy might be fine discussing nothing but Irish ways and may be very knowledgable in that area, but he still has a lot to learn on how to interact with other people .... you are Druid, yet you have no trouble relating to others. Some people just can't seem to understand that others feel strongly about their chosen beliefs and being told "you really aren't because....." raises some hackles. But, that doesn't not make you anything less than a great admin! HEAR ME (and ya better obey, or else! ;D ) You are doing a super fine job, Sen!
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Post by flowerfaeryqueen on Jul 7, 2006 12:51:18 GMT -5
i have been readin over this thread, and i have realised... *drumroll* YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE IMMATURE TEENAGERS!!!!!!!!!!
now, im probabaly one of the youngest here, but i think you should be able enough to accept others, or at least tolerate others beliefs, or you will get attacked for being insensitive. opinions are 1 thing, but this has gone tooo far.
and, have you left raeven? please come back if you have!!!!!
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 7, 2006 13:04:59 GMT -5
i have been readin over this thread, and i have realised... *drumroll* YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE IMMATURE TEENAGERS!!!!!!!!!! now, im probabaly one of the youngest here, but i think you should be able enough to accept others, or at least tolerate others beliefs, or you will get attacked for being insensitive. opinions are 1 thing, but this has gone tooo far. and, have you left raeven? please come back if you have!!!!! Raeven has gone ... I don't have her email to ask her to please come back. If anyone knows how to contact her, I hope they do and asks her to return!
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 8, 2006 3:13:02 GMT -5
i have been readin over this thread, and i have realised... *drumroll* YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE IMMATURE TEENAGERS!!!!!!!!!! now, im probabaly one of the youngest here, but i think you should be able enough to accept others, or at least tolerate others beliefs, or you will get attacked for being insensitive. opinions are 1 thing, but this has gone tooo far. and, have you left raeven? please come back if you have!!!!! Raeven has gone ... I don't have her email to ask her to please come back. If anyone knows how to contact her, I hope they do and asks her to return! She left? As in deleted her account? Why?
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