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Post by Senbecc on Jul 8, 2006 8:35:06 GMT -5
Wow that explains everything.. hey everyone.. Ardi is a victem here. The very title of this thread could be seen as inflammatory. Disrespectful is what he called them.. he came out on the attack. I mean lets face it .. a rant is a opinion and full of words like .. I feel and my opinion etc.. you get my drift. If he can say ughh.. by gods i can say pffttt in return. And like it or not whining ... is whining. Is he the only one who is allowed to rant in this thread? Exactly why does he have that special priveledge and yet when we rant back at his rant on the rant board we are being mean to him? Good grief.. its absolutely laughable how obvious it is to most of the people here and yet.. not to Ardi.. or his savior. I tell you what.. I think I have very much found the wrong forum. Im so very sorry that there are people like Ardi in this world, who only judge and point their finger. Guess what .. its our heritage too. You think because we live here that anywhere past the ocean can't be counted in? Your living in a dream world. My family was sent over here with the rest of the Scots who fought against Bonnie Prince Charlie. We hail from the Clan Gunne.. cousins to the Kings of Scotland. Our clan was started by King Olaf the Black a notorious viking king. And this I all know because.. a university researched my family and traced our roots and travels back. I am also a card carrying native american. My heritage is very rich and diverse. And like my ancestors it offends me to the bone to be told what I have the right to believe in or do not. And Marcus I am so sorry but you have alot to learn in life.. don't chain yourself to that millstone. Your still young and you have time to learn NOT to be closeminded. It was nice meeting a few of you in here.. Senbecc you are welcome in my forum anytime. You have alot of knowledge and alot to offer any human who cares to learn. Doesn't really seem like anything to leave because of...However like Ardri you are free to come-n-go as you please. I'm sorry to see you go...I do wish you luck in finding a forum with no disagreements. *sigh* (Should have just locked it)
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Post by Marcus on Jul 8, 2006 11:39:34 GMT -5
Ok well IM off then. Wont be back. Sorry for stirring the wiccans Marcus You dont have to go James. Tis probably best not to post any more threads like this here though lol. We can discuss those questions at Craobh Crua. Your posts in the Celtic Section have been very interesting and have created some great discussions that i have enjoyed reading. Sure i will be seeing you at the Tara watch gig and we can talk properly then!!
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 8, 2006 12:14:23 GMT -5
Raeven has gone ... I don't have her email to ask her to please come back. If anyone knows how to contact her, I hope they do and asks her to return! She left? As in deleted her account? Why? Probably because it seemed that the Irish paganism was OK, but Wiccans were once again the lower class citizens of paganism, starting from the title of the tread all the way through. Reread the entire thread, reread the PMs that were posted. As a Wiccan I am totally disappointed that this thread happened at all. Wiccan and Gaelic gods ... ugh. How about a thread called Gaelic gods ... crap. Or Norse gods ... yuck. Or ... well, that conveys the idea. I do not mind a good discussion ... as I said before I will gladly debate "Are All Gods Architypes" or something like that, but an insult to the choices Wiccans make (and only Wiccans again ... according to the PM I got, Irish good everyone wiccan bad) should not have been allowed. That is why Raeven left. It feels like favorites have been played ... and Wiccans were not the favorites. Of course, that is just my opinion and my interpretation as a Wiccan. I'm sure all of you who are Celtic/Druid/etc do not feel the same. But I'm pretty sure if a Wiccan had stared a thread denegrating the Irish gods and beliefs you all would not have been very happy either. Maybe I should start a thread, "I don't know why anyone would choose the Irish gods, ugh". Maybe those of us who are wiccan have gotten a bit sensitive ... but can you blame us? We have to continually defend our beliefs and choices to all and this is just one more example. Why should we have to "explain" why we choose a certain panthion or god? Its not like we have kidnapped someone elses deity and are holding him/her hostage! But that is sure what it sounded like we were being accused of. I, for one, am tired of having to defend my choices even to other pagans. I received two PMs from this person that I found unacceptable and, even though I said at first I wasn't suggesting banning, I am not so sure I am still of the same opinion. Do wiccans have the same rights, the right NOT to be insulted here? I hope so, because I thought that was why this forum was formed, so NO ONES choice would be insulted. Shitaki and Wicca was the beginning of the end on the other forum ... please tell me, how is this different? Once again Wiccans are being dictated to how and who and what we can worship by someone who is not even Wiccan. Personally, I know very little about the whole Celtic thing and personally I am not very interested in learning about it, it just does not call to me. But I would never tell someone who is following that path that they have no right to, no matter where they were born, no matter if they are Irish or not, no matter what! As the Cherokee saying goes "Being Cherokee is not a matter of blood, but a matter of belief." Change Cherokee to Irish ... same, same. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, maybe I am the only one that feels insulted, but I don't think so. And I think when several people reply to a thread that it is insulting, then they should be listened to, even if others don't see why they feel insulted. If feelings are not acknowledged, then people will leave to go elsewhere where their feelings are taken into consideration. Raeven is just one, there may be more. Ardri was in the wrong, he insulted quite a few people on this forum, including me. Yet no punishment was even considered, he was defended ... where was the empathy for those he offended? What happened to the partial banishment that was originally discussed, maybe 2 days for the insult felt by others? Why does the fact that he follows the Irish/Celtic path seem to give him special privilage in what he says, not only on the board, but to others here on PMs? Why is it OK that Raeven left, but Ardri is being asked to stay and only post "in certain sections"? Why has no one understood the hurt that has been felt? OK, that is my rant. I am now going to go cool off some as I am really very angry right now that the one who gave the insult is being defended and asked to stay and the one who recieved the insult is being passed off with an ... "oh, well". I believe, maybe, I have some thinking to do myself.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 9, 2006 0:15:51 GMT -5
One small debate is not something that requires people to leave...But I'm sick of this damn thread, those who have gone good luck. As for the rest of us lets carry on what we have started.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 9, 2006 6:45:51 GMT -5
I am locking this thread.
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Post by Senbecc on Nov 22, 2006 2:59:05 GMT -5
Unlocked, and bumped for Kitty.
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