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Post by raeven on Jul 3, 2006 20:04:28 GMT -5
Hmmm, the light has gone on in the kitchen! You're just an ornery critter, let's say a Badger or a polecat, want to scrap. Anger feeds the negative energy floating around. I admit I was giving it alittle the other day. I've always been proud of my Irish ancestors, I believe this is where my sixth sense came from. I realize now that you're projecting out of frustration. I think you should write a Thread about your Gaelic Gods here. You could use your energy in a positive light. Then again if it's scrappin' you're looking for keep up this thread...Peace out to you, kin folk. >^..^< Im done scrappin myself, I have more important things to do then beat a dead horse. Ardi if nothing else take away the words I have given you and learn from them the same as I will take away the words you gave me and I will learn from them as well. When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it - this is knowledge.
~Confucius~
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Post by fireraven1379 on Jul 3, 2006 22:40:25 GMT -5
I can see why someone would find certain usage of any type of nationality of Gods disrespectful but the way in which I was taught to view Wicca or Pagan religion is that certain things will call to you. Now I always have a hard time explaining this but I will try my best. I am Shawnee and Cherokee and there are spirits and things that call to me that have to be with being in my homeland but even when I was living in Germany I had a connection to these things. When I became Wiccan I was living in Europe and different entities of the Divine called to me. I spent many hours of research before connecting with Them but IMO it is not disrespectfully to walk with these Deities because they are part of a different culture. I have a relationship with the Gods I work with. I feel that it is important to have a relationship with whatever Deity(ies) one feels called to work with. That is the beauty of why I am Wiccan is that one does not need to work with a form of the Divine that they are not comfortable with. Also, sometimes a person is not allowed access to the knowledge of their own peoples religion due to many factors but they should not be denied knowing the Divine through channels that are open to them. It is very painful to be in the situation that just because you do not live close to your own people you are not allowed to learn the ways of a path that is calling to you. Because if you are willing to take the time and learn then you are not being disrespectful. But this is just my opinion and what I believe due to my own experiences. fireraven
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Post by ardri79 on Jul 4, 2006 2:56:49 GMT -5
Well Im still waiting for a wiccan to respond to my Archetype thread.
And since ye read my PM to raven ye know Im not responding to her.
Go research Archetypes kitty cat and bring what you have I'll be happy to scrap
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Post by ardri79 on Jul 4, 2006 5:37:59 GMT -5
"they should not be denied knowing the Divine through channels that are open to them"
IMO Archetypes have nothing to do with actual Gods so people who get caught in the celtic wicca trap arent learning anything about their native culture.
I never said that because you dont live in Ireland you cant have a connection to gaelic Gods, just that Celtic wicca stops people from having a connection to gaelic gods.
we have lots of celtic wiccans in Ireland too. who started lkooking for their native religion but found only wicca.
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Post by fireraven1379 on Jul 4, 2006 8:09:02 GMT -5
"they should not be denied knowing the Divine through channels that are open to them" IMO Archetypes have nothing to do with actual Gods so people who get caught in the celtic wicca trap arent learning anything about their native culture. I never said that because you dont live in Ireland you cant have a connection to gaelic Gods, just that Celtic wicca stops people from having a connection to gaelic gods. we have lots of celtic wiccans in Ireland too. who started lkooking for their native religion but found only wicca. I read up on Jungian archetypes and besides talking about actual Gods I also talked about just being able to connect with divinity no matter what form it takes. Which from the article I did read on Jung's ideas with archetypes the form in which Divinity takes would just be symbols so based on this why would it matter that somebody use Celtic, Norse, Germanic, native American, Buddhist, Hindu or any other pantheon of Deities to use in ritual or worship. IMO it wouldn't. By the way I am not Celtic Wiccan I am Green Craft Traditional Wicca and by my look at things I don't see how being one type over another type would stop anyone from having a connection to any type of Divinity.
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Post by stormcat on Jul 4, 2006 8:27:36 GMT -5
Give me a day or two Kin Folk, it's July 4th and I have family obligations. Glad to see you're willing to pull the old Cats tail. This should be interesting. By the way want to see my families Crest?>^..^<
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Post by raeven on Jul 4, 2006 10:24:27 GMT -5
Well Im still waiting for a wiccan to respond to my Archetype thread. And since ye read my PM to raven ye know Im not responding to her. Go research Archetypes kitty cat and bring what you have I'll be happy to scrap Yes he did.. he just pmed me another nasty pm 4 hours after his post that he would not respond to me is all. Thats very sad .. that when someone pulls back and says something nice after heated debate or typing or whatever the other person isn't big enough to do the same. c’est la vie I understand that you THINK you have nothing else to learn Ardi but the day that I stop learning is the day that I will die. This Hedge Witch will pass on the words you have pmed me to the "neo pagans in America" you obviously hate so very much. I am truely sorry if you got so upset but a little challenge to old ideas is sometimes needed to make people peek out of the box. You have my deepest apologies.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 4, 2006 11:43:43 GMT -5
Am I going to have to lock this thread?
Ardri also sent me a masseage to the effect that I will never be as Irish as he is. I am as Irish as I am, and I can tell you that the fact that I am American born in American Culture simply means that I have had to pull and fight for every bit of information I have been able to accumulate thus far.
Cool it with the nasty grams Ardri...
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Post by flowerfaeryqueen on Jul 4, 2006 12:01:46 GMT -5
steal?? ???no offence, but if someone converted to, say, islam, and they werent from arabia, or wherever it started Thats true if you're foreign and following the ways of the pagan Gael but not true if you're following a wiccan path. they are completely different faiths. its like a christian claiming he has a relationship with Allah um, i dont wanna offend like 3 different religions, but muslims, christians and jew all worship the same god. allah is god in arabian, and it all originates from the same god. christians just also follow christ, muslims also follow prophet muhammed, and jews believe something else (i am not sure what) anywho my point is, most christians, if they have a relationship with god, also have a relationship with allah, because their sort of the same thing.
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Post by flowerfaeryqueen on Jul 4, 2006 12:05:34 GMT -5
look, ardri, cool down please? im getting a bit upset with the anti wiccan vibe you have. i mean its fine to have your own opinions and to disagree with others, but if you start being nasty, it has gone a bit too far. you are condemning a lot of people with all your anti-wiccan rants.
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Post by stormcat on Jul 4, 2006 16:48:42 GMT -5
NNNOOO, don't lock this thread!!! I'm endlessly amused by this lad. He's firing PM's at you for the negative attention. He detests the USA, but so does half the world. I'm only here so I could show my family this thread, which amuses them too. If you lock it where will all the negativity go, it will be internalized, poisoning him even more. ;D Let him bleat, he obviously wants a sacrificial Wiccan. Do we have any volunteers? Ok will you accept a Green Witch or a Neo-Pagan? I know as a Eclectic I'm beneath your contempt. All volunteers sign up here ___________. >^..^<
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Post by raeven on Jul 4, 2006 16:52:23 GMT -5
NNNOOO, don't lock this thread!!! I'm endlessly amused by this lad. He's firing PM's at you for the negative attention. He detests the USA, but so does half the world. I'm only here so I could show my family this thread, which amuses them too. If you lock it where will all the negativity go, it will be internalized, poisoning him even more. ;D Let him bleat, he obviously wants a sacrificial Wiccan. Do we have any volunteers? Ok will you accept a Green Witch or a Neo-Pagan? I know as a Eclectic I'm beneath your contempt. All volunteers sign up here ___________. >^..^< Your a very bad woman lol
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Post by stormcat on Jul 4, 2006 17:06:47 GMT -5
I, tis the 1/4 Irish in me that makes me so scrappy!!! ;D >^..^<
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 5, 2006 1:48:01 GMT -5
As Marcus pointed out, I too think this could be a very educational thread as far as the traditional views of the Irish gods and Wicca's philosophies on them go. It is important that the Wiccan, Celtic traditionalist, Neo-Druid, or anyone else who follows an Irish system understands the way the ancesters viewed and honored their ancesters.
As I pointed out earlier, Celtic culture was vast, and varried from tuath to tuath. Each tribe of people had their own philosophies, gods (at times), and steps by which they were honored in accordence to their own views and lore.
What of a Welsh Celt I wonder? Shall we assume they are not Celtic because they're not Irish, even though FACT tells us they are?
I'm trying to understand what your trying to get at, I just have a hard time believing that the jist of this thread is "everyone else is wrong because I'm right." You seem more intelligent than that...
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Post by ardri79 on Jul 5, 2006 7:18:08 GMT -5
Ardri also sent me a masseage to the effect that I will never be as Irish as he is.
I did WHAT now? talk about the wrong end of the stick john. jayzuz
Im at the end of my teather with the BS.
I never said I have nothing to learn, i follow a path that is constant study.
All this crap is beside the point. Archetypes are all I wanted to discuss in the thread and out of niceness I answered other questions off the topic.
If there is noone bar the kitty and Fireraven to chat to then the'll be the only ones I'll respond too from now one.
beir Bua agus beannachtai
Séamus O'Broin and buannach leis na Fían Craobh Chrua
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