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Post by stormcat on Jul 5, 2006 8:58:19 GMT -5
Now,now Kin folk don't get your beir Bua agus beannachtai in a bunch! Oh that my ancestors had not forgone their native Gaelic language, we could really be talking....Let us Drop Jung and talk alittle Freud. Do you believe that a mans God size has a direct correlation to feelings of inadequacy in other areas of his life? Could it be possible that you're drawn to this conflict because of your own personal aversion to the Goddess in you? Maybe you're not attracted to Goddesses at all? HMMM...WE may need many such analysis sessions. You may have said it was Archetypes you wanted to discuss, now I'm a wondering. Be nice Kin folk I'm gonna send you a nice Irish Blessing :)May the blessing of the rain be on you--the soft sweet rain, May it fall upon your spirit so that all the flowers may spring up and shed their sweetness in the air. May the blessing of the great rains be on you, May they beat upon your spirit... some more BS, you get the idea.>^..^<
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Post by ardri79 on Jul 5, 2006 11:59:44 GMT -5
it wasnt a conflict when I started the thread. Most if not all irish people converse the way I do... if people dont like it then why talk to me at all?
My "anti wiccan vibe" had you all jumping on my back but noone who posted knew about something that is one of the most basic tennants of the wiccan religion here in Ireland and the UK.
If you dont use archetypes then I have said nothing bad about you. If you want me to debate the pros and cons of wicca start a thread and I'll join in. Since ye dont use archetypes I'd like to see how many other differences there are between Trad wicca and neo wicca
Since the Kitty is only hear to giggle at me and noone wants to talk to me I'll leave this thread as it is.
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Post by stormcat on Jul 5, 2006 17:20:08 GMT -5
Ah now you're making sense. I'm not used to your type of conversations. Mostly people who want to debate a topic build up to the passion. I'm sure you would find it offensive if I said that the Gaelic Deities you speak of are really not the true ones. That they were brought over by the settlers, that displaced the Tuatha de Danann. The first true race in Erin, this too can and will be debated. As will the meaning of a Celt, a Germanic, Welsh, Irish and Scots people. I hope you check back on this thread, we can get back on track. >^..^<
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 5, 2006 17:21:58 GMT -5
Ardri - If the Gods don't like it, don't you think they will do something about it? Who are you to tell anyone whom they can and cannot worship or call upon or "use" (as I said, the gods will do something if they don't like it). You are rude and insensitive to others and after reading this thread, I for one agree with Sen about locking this thread. Why don't you go have a conversation with your "god ideas" (which is what all gods are, unless you want to tell me you have had dinner with one of them lately) and tell them to smite those who may take their name in vain (sounding familiar here? ? ?). And if you PM me I will post it (sorry Marcus, but PMs such as that SHOULD be posted if the receiver feels they need to share what has been sent). This has been very anti-american, anti-wiccan, and anti-everything else that isn't "Gaelic". And I especially found the Nazi remark very offensive. I'm sorry, but the Celts are not the end all and be all of paganism and I am sick and damn tired of "mine is better than yours". If you don't like what we have to say here, then you can depart and if the spiked steel door happens to hit you in the ass on your way out, so much the better. And if you are wondering who I am, I was like Number 2 or 3 helping to start this site. I thought we might not really need moderators on this forum, but I guess I was wrong. You have not wanted to "discuss" you have wanted to bash ... and by golly, if I want to "use" a Celtic god in one of my ceremonies, either as a god or achitype, then it is none of yours or anyone elses business ... and if I'm a little scorch spot on the floor afterwards, then that is also between me and the gods ... your opinion is less than worthless. You have been rude to just about everyone that has posted (which has been in retaliation to your rudeness) ... as stormykitty said, I think you may have a few shortcomings yourself that you are trying to overcome.
Sen ... I've been on vacation and I've come back to a tread that sounds very much like what we left the "hell hole" for.
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 6, 2006 11:59:27 GMT -5
Ardri also sent me a masseage to the effect that I will never be as Irish as he is. I did WHAT now? talk about the wrong end of the stick john. jayzuz Im at the end of my teather with the BS. I never said I have nothing to learn, i follow a path that is constant study. All this crap is beside the point. Archetypes are all I wanted to discuss in the thread and out of niceness I answered other questions off the topic. If there is noone bar the kitty and Fireraven to chat to then the'll be the only ones I'll respond too from now one. beir Bua agus beannachtai Séamus O'Broin and buannach leis na Fían Craobh Chrua "Its not that you tread American soil that hinders ye. its not being born into the Gaelic Culture. Its hard enough when ye have a native understanding but when yer from a totally different culture its like being a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. ye can do it if ye study til ye can do it like the Karate Kid but ye'll always start a leg behind *pun-tacular* im glad I spoiled yer calm thats no way to live man reach up and grab the Dond Cualinge by the horns"
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 6, 2006 12:15:35 GMT -5
Ardri also sent me a masseage to the effect that I will never be as Irish as he is. I did WHAT now? talk about the wrong end of the stick john. jayzuz Im at the end of my teather with the BS. I never said I have nothing to learn, i follow a path that is constant study. All this crap is beside the point. Archetypes are all I wanted to discuss in the thread and out of niceness I answered other questions off the topic. If there is noone bar the kitty and Fireraven to chat to then the'll be the only ones I'll respond too from now one. beir Bua agus beannachtai Séamus O'Broin and buannach leis na Fían Craobh Chrua And out of niceness, and respect for another's beliefs I have allowed a thread that I knew would be trouble from the get go. I have answered your questions on numerous accasions Ardri and you have yet to respond to anything I've said, why should that change now?...Then you send me an E-mail to the effect that I'm never going to be Irish enough because I wasn't born into the culture. While I've never, and may never set foot on her physically, I will die a happy man in the knowledge that I have touched all of her 5 fifths. "Athert an Daogdae, 'An cumang arba gaid-si, doge/n-sou ule am a onur.' " Grá, Solas agus Gáire!
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 6, 2006 12:22:08 GMT -5
Ah now you're making sense. I'm not used to your type of conversations. Mostly people who want to debate a topic build up to the passion. I'm sure you would find it offensive if I said that the Gaelic Deities you speak of are really not the true ones. That they were brought over by the settlers, that displaced the Tuatha de Danann. The first true race in Erin, this too can and will be debated. As will the meaning of a Celt, a Germanic, Welsh, Irish and Scots people. I hope you check back on this thread, we can get back on track. >^..^< I know Ogma can find his roots in Gaul. each of the gods tracable back to Gaul and Spain maybe?
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 6, 2006 12:28:54 GMT -5
Ardri - If the Gods don't like it, don't you think they will do something about it? Who are you to tell anyone whom they can and cannot worship or call upon or "use" (as I said, the gods will do something if they don't like it). You are rude and insensitive to others and after reading this thread, I for one agree with Sen about locking this thread. Why don't you go have a conversation with your "god ideas" (which is what all gods are, unless you want to tell me you have had dinner with one of them lately) and tell them to smite those who may take their name in vain (sounding familiar here? ? ?). And if you PM me I will post it (sorry Marcus, but PMs such as that SHOULD be posted if the receiver feels they need to share what has been sent). This has been very anti-american, anti-wiccan, and anti-everything else that isn't "Gaelic". And I especially found the Nazi remark very offensive. I'm sorry, but the Celts are not the end all and be all of paganism and I am sick and damn tired of "mine is better than yours". If you don't like what we have to say here, then you can depart and if the spiked steel door happens to hit you in the ass on your way out, so much the better. And if you are wondering who I am, I was like Number 2 or 3 helping to start this site. I thought we might not really need moderators on this forum, but I guess I was wrong. You have not wanted to "discuss" you have wanted to bash ... and by golly, if I want to "use" a Celtic god in one of my ceremonies, either as a god or achitype, then it is none of yours or anyone elses business ... and if I'm a little scorch spot on the floor afterwards, then that is also between me and the gods ... your opinion is less than worthless. You have been rude to just about everyone that has posted (which has been in retaliation to your rudeness) ... as stormykitty said, I think you may have a few shortcomings yourself that you are trying to overcome. Sen ... I've been on vacation and I've come back to a tread that sounds very much like what we left the "hell hole" for. Only this time we actually know what tradition we're discussing, and don't have to worry about being banned for disagreeing... No one is going to be banned for their beliefs or views here, nor does anyone need to leave the site. Though if the exitment keeps up the thread will be locked.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 6, 2006 13:46:43 GMT -5
Ardri - If the Gods don't like it, don't you think they will do something about it? Who are you to tell anyone whom they can and cannot worship or call upon or "use" (as I said, the gods will do something if they don't like it). You are rude and insensitive to others and after reading this thread, I for one agree with Sen about locking this thread. Why don't you go have a conversation with your "god ideas" (which is what all gods are, unless you want to tell me you have had dinner with one of them lately) and tell them to smite those who may take their name in vain (sounding familiar here? ? ?). And if you PM me I will post it (sorry Marcus, but PMs such as that SHOULD be posted if the receiver feels they need to share what has been sent). This has been very anti-american, anti-wiccan, and anti-everything else that isn't "Gaelic". And I especially found the Nazi remark very offensive. I'm sorry, but the Celts are not the end all and be all of paganism and I am sick and damn tired of "mine is better than yours". If you don't like what we have to say here, then you can depart and if the spiked steel door happens to hit you in the ass on your way out, so much the better. And if you are wondering who I am, I was like Number 2 or 3 helping to start this site. I thought we might not really need moderators on this forum, but I guess I was wrong. You have not wanted to "discuss" you have wanted to bash ... and by golly, if I want to "use" a Celtic god in one of my ceremonies, either as a god or achitype, then it is none of yours or anyone elses business ... and if I'm a little scorch spot on the floor afterwards, then that is also between me and the gods ... your opinion is less than worthless. You have been rude to just about everyone that has posted (which has been in retaliation to your rudeness) ... as stormykitty said, I think you may have a few shortcomings yourself that you are trying to overcome. Sen ... I've been on vacation and I've come back to a tread that sounds very much like what we left the "hell hole" for. Only this time we actually know what tradition we're discussing, and don't have to worry about being banned for disagreeing... No one is going to be banned for their beliefs or views here, nor does anyone need to leave the site. Though if the exitment keeps up the thread will be locked. I in no way suggested banning ... I simply suggested if he doesn't like the replies that he is receiving then he can just go post somewhere else and not let the door hit him on the way out. He is not sharing his beliefs, he is telling everyone else that his are right and ours are wrong...and using the nazi remark IS inflamatory! I'm sorry, Sen, but this is crap ... I don't care what "tradition" we are discussing and if we know what it is or isn't, this person, if you read the posts, has insulted at least half of the other posters and I'm sorry, but, the good of the many should come first. I would NEVER suggest banning for beliefs, but insults such as the nazi remark should warrent some type of warning at least. This forum is not for Irish/Celtic/Galic ... this is for ALL. This person is causing others to feel uncomfortable ..... including me. Discussion is fine, but this is not discussion .....
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Post by Senbecc on Jul 6, 2006 14:01:55 GMT -5
Only this time we actually know what tradition we're discussing, and don't have to worry about being banned for disagreeing... No one is going to be banned for their beliefs or views here, nor does anyone need to leave the site. Though if the exitment keeps up the thread will be locked. I in no way suggested banning ... I simply suggested if he doesn't like the replies that he is receiving then he can just go post somewhere else and not let the door hit him on the way out. He is not sharing his beliefs, he is telling everyone else that his are right and ours are wrong...and using the nazi remark IS inflamatory! I'm sorry, Sen, but this is crap ... I don't care what "tradition" we are discussing and if we know what it is or isn't, this person, if you read the posts, has insulted at least half of the other posters and I'm sorry, but, the good of the many should come first. I would NEVER suggest banning for beliefs, but insults such as the nazi remark should warrent some type of warning at least. This forum is not for Irish/Celtic/Galic ... this is for ALL. This person is causing others to feel uncomfortable ..... including me. Discussion is fine, but this is not discussion ..... Given the E-mail I just responded to I'm inclined to agree.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 6, 2006 14:12:10 GMT -5
I in no way suggested banning ... I simply suggested if he doesn't like the replies that he is receiving then he can just go post somewhere else and not let the door hit him on the way out. He is not sharing his beliefs, he is telling everyone else that his are right and ours are wrong...and using the nazi remark IS inflamatory! I'm sorry, Sen, but this is crap ... I don't care what "tradition" we are discussing and if we know what it is or isn't, this person, if you read the posts, has insulted at least half of the other posters and I'm sorry, but, the good of the many should come first. I would NEVER suggest banning for beliefs, but insults such as the nazi remark should warrent some type of warning at least. This forum is not for Irish/Celtic/Galic ... this is for ALL. This person is causing others to feel uncomfortable ..... including me. Discussion is fine, but this is not discussion ..... Given the E-mail I just responded to I'm inclined to agree. Yeah, I had a nice little PM ... he didn't call me any names, though! <grin> I would have even been willing to discuss his questioning of architypes if he had phrased it differently as I, too think it would be an interesting discussion (such as, "are all gods/esses actually architypes?"), but the insults and superiority that was conveyed to anyone who tried to answer showed me he didn't want to discuss that. If he only wants to "preserve" the Irish paganism, then I say let him stay on Irish paganism boards. If he wants to DISCUSS paganism in general and how it all relates together (or doesn't relate), then lets go for it! But calling ANYONE a nazi or saying they have nazi tendencies is beyond the pale! However, I do agree that the general idea could make for a great discussion and learning experience. New thread maybe? "Are All Gods/Goddesses Architypes? Ideas? The Same Force Called Different Names?"
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Post by raeven on Jul 6, 2006 15:11:40 GMT -5
Given the E-mail I just responded to I'm inclined to agree. Yeah, I had a nice little PM ... he didn't call me any names, though! <grin> I would have even been willing to discuss his questioning of architypes if he had phrased it differently as I, too think it would be an interesting discussion (such as, "are all gods/esses actually architypes?"), but the insults and superiority that was conveyed to anyone who tried to answer showed me he didn't want to discuss that. If he only wants to "preserve" the Irish paganism, then I say let him stay on Irish paganism boards. If he wants to DISCUSS paganism in general and how it all relates together (or doesn't relate), then lets go for it! But calling ANYONE a nazi or saying they have nazi tendencies is beyond the pale! However, I do agree that the general idea could make for a great discussion and learning experience. New thread maybe? "Are All Gods/Goddesses Architypes? Ideas? The Same Force Called Different Names?" Exactly... I am perfectly capable of discussing these things.. but if asked the wrong way I will discuss the question that was asked .. literally asked. And I will be quite obtuse about it, as you can see ;D Not only that but not everyone subscribes to Jung or Freud and just think for ourselves. And not everyone wants to blindly follow old ideas.. I will leave that for the sheep. I tend to think for myself and not everyone thinks alike.. which is believe it or not a good thing... I am going to address the accusations of facism by good old Ardie.. First of all lets look at the definition of what a Nazi is according to Adolf himself. "Hitler extended his rationalizations into religious doctrine, claiming that those who agreed with and taught his "truths", were "true" or "master" religions, because they would "create mastery" by avoiding comforting lies. Those who preached love and tolerance, "in contravention to the facts", were said to be "slave" or "false" religions. The man who recognized these "truths", Hitler continued, was said to be a "natural leader", and those who denied it were said to be "natural slaves". "Slaves" – especially intelligent ones, he claimed – were always attempting to hinder their masters by promoting false religious and political doctrines. " Okay Im sort of wondering something here.. does anyone else see this? That those sentiments sound a little familiar? I dunno maybe its just me.. Oh and by the way if you go into your profile you can see a place where you can block Ardis rants from your inbox.. I did it days ago LOL
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Post by Silver on Jul 6, 2006 15:40:50 GMT -5
well I hope I dont offend anyone but IMO all the gods and goddess's were just aliens , who had full use of the computer we call a brain and they didnt have 90% of their mental programs locked down like we do.
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Post by moonwind333 on Jul 6, 2006 16:35:01 GMT -5
well I hope I dont offend anyone but IMO all the gods and goddess's were just aliens , who had full use of the computer we call a brain and they didnt have 90% of their mental programs locked down like we do. <sound of applause!> Actually, when you get right down to the nitty-gritty, that makes as much sense as any other opinion put forth. We DON'T KNOW, which is what makes it all so fascinating! (Of course, I know I'm "god" and when I'm not thinking about any of you, or when I'm asleep, all of you go away because I create you when I want you around ;D ) You didn't offend at all (IMO) because you stated it was your opinion! And I think it is an interesting idea! So, do you think they are ever going to come back? (And let us know they are back?)
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Post by raeven on Jul 6, 2006 17:00:19 GMT -5
well I hope I dont offend anyone but IMO all the gods and goddess's were just aliens , who had full use of the computer we call a brain and they didnt have 90% of their mental programs locked down like we do. And you know what? You might be right.. im certainly not going to tell you that you are wrong. It would certainly explain alot of things
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